Beach restoration another joke

[finchaser]

http://lavallette-seaside.shorebeat.com/2016/02/former-funtown-pier-property-provides-glimpse-into-oceans-wrath/

[fishinmission78]

Thanks for sharing. Looking at some of those pics reminds me of that old planet of the apes movie when he gets to the salt water and realizes he is not on another planet - they just destroyed the old earth so badly that the damn dirty stinking apes took it over. Feel the same way about ocean county. In all the years I have lived here the beaches have just started to get worse in the last 5 years. I remember a bad storm around 1982 as well but other than that I think the ACOE and the GDamn dredging and the way they replenish is just not working. Anyone else feel the same?

[Monty]

Thanks for sharing. Looking at some of those pics reminds me of that old planet of the apes movie when he gets to the salt water and realizes he is not on another planet - they just destroyed the old earth so badly that the damn dirty stinking apes took it over. Feel the same way about ocean county. In all the years I have lived here the beaches have just started to get worse in the last 5 years. I remember a bad storm around 1982 as well but other than that I think the ACOE and the GDamn dredging and the way they replenish is just not working. Anyone else feel the same?

I feel the same. They are in the middle of completely destroying the Jersey shoreline. Its a shame. Its corruption.

[buckethead]

Its corruption.

Same has happened in Monmouth County. These folks are engineers. Somewhere someone had to do calculations and see that jetties and sea walls strategically placed are a better defense against the ravages of winter noreasters. I really believe they are influenced by bribes and corruption. As was said the proof is in the pudding. Sand naturally flows up or down depending on where you are located. Trying to work with that would have made more sense. It had to have cost less in the long run than just pumping sand to exposed beaches.

Take the long branch pier for example. It was a structure extending out into the ocean. Lasted for decades of storms. Only to be brought down by a fire. There are many areas in the world where rock breakwaters or rock and t-jetty formations are the premier defense against high waves and bad storms. NJ ACOE doesn't make sense to me. Still scratching my head over the latest protocol.

[basshunter]

My cousin was in the Army. He said there was a famous phrase- "The right way, the wrong way, and the Army way". You may have a point there but what can we do? The tourists love sandy beaches. They don't love rock jetties or anything that takes away from the uninterrupted view. Maybe that has something to do with it?

[plugcrazy]

Tourists will always win. Fishermen will always be second in line in Jersey.

[porgy75]

That's depressing! But prob true

[cowherder]

Thanks for sharing. Looking at some of those pics reminds me of that old planet of the apes movie when he gets to the salt water and realizes he is not on another planet - they just destroyed the old earth so badly that the damn dirty stinking apes took it over. Feel the same way about ocean county. Anyone else feel the same?

I do. The army engineers must be the ones that almost flunked out of engineering school.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDLS12_a-fk

[finchaser]

:clapping::clapping:^^^^^^^^

[finchaser]

Bye Bye beach again no more sand all gone



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[fishinmission78]

"The steel revetment wall is 40 feet high, so even with 12 feet exposed, more than half of it remains buried in the sand."

That pic was chilling. Millions of dollars for that wall so far and with another superstorm those houses could be washed away.

[finchaser]

yep they should have left the inlet that they planned to do there when brick purchased the land for it across from brick beach 3

[jigfreak]

Agree with that.
Another big mistake made was when it breached by the mantoloking bridge. I know RE is bucco bucks there but man was it a mistake. The erosion pattern would have been changed if they found a way to keep that "inlet".
Or as you said, the original one planned across from brick beach 3. The barny bay would have been a lot cleaner that way too. jmo

[finchaser]

original plan was turned down because the rich home owners didn't want to smell fumes from boats or hear the noise from boat motors

[seamonkey]

I hate that it's all about those home owners. They don't want an obscured view. Don't want noise from boat motors. Don't want to give the state permission to dredge near their property. Then, when there is a hurricane like Sandy, they are all of a sudden very interested in having FEMA come in and help them out. Pretty hypocritical.

[buckethead]

Now they got caught dumping debris, excavated material and trash into the ocean. What next?
http://www.newsworks.org/index.php/local/down-the-shore/91192-dep-dumping-of-excavated-material-on-deal-beach-was-illegal

[surferman]

My brother in law owns a construction company and they do rebuilding and restoration of docks and bulkheads. If they EVER dumped stuff like I saw in that article they would be fined many thousands of dollars by the DEP!!!!!!!!
Disgusting they can get away with it because connected to the govt!

[bababooey]

It's all about back room payments and campaign contributions. Very corrupt state we live in folks.

[lostatsea]

Like they don't care. Total disregard for the environment and the after-effects. really wish there was some bunch of people who could influence the politicians to open their eyes.

[plugcrazy]

Saw a report on this on the news last nite.

[njdiver]

Try here for more info on the dumping:

https://m.facebook.com/groups/CitizensAgainst1124/files/

[buckethead]

Thanks for the link. Dougherty wrote a great letter -

"Editor, Asbury Park Sun,
I am writing in response to the Asbury Park Sun article published on September 11, 2015 entitled Beach Replenishment Heads North to Elberon. I would like to respond to two statements in the article in which many local residents may share a different viewpoint.

First, the article mentions that several rock jetties in Deal/Elberon are in need of "repair'. As local residents can attest to, none of these jetties were damaged during Hurricane Sandy, nor by countless other coastal storms which have impacted the Jersey Shore in the approximate 100 years that the jetties have existed. It should be noted that the Army Corp of Engineer (ACOE) plan is to "notch" the jetties, by removing large sections of the jetty rocks, and not to repair them.

These jetties (known to locals as "Jetty Country") which the ACOE is either burying under nine feet of sand, or destroyed via notching, have provided important fish habitat and excellent recreational fishing and diving opportunities for decades. Additionally, the jetties serve as very popular surfing locations. After notching and beach replenishment, fishing, diving, and surfing are generally ruined, or at least severely impacted. The beach replenishment project is changing a way of life for those that frequent this area and know it best.

Congressman Frank Pallone is quoted in the article as saying he will "continue to fight for replenishment projects to help protect our homes and businesses along the Jersey Shore." It should be noted that the areas of Deal/Elberon have never had large beaches, and with the exception of a couple beach clubs, there are no businesses present. Aerial photos going back to 1930 show Deal/Elberon has always had very narrow beaches, or no beaches at all. This is due to the natural, elevated (cliff-like) bluff of this area. Many of the homes in this area did not suffer significant damage or flooding due to their elevation above sea level, unlike the low-lying homes in Sea Bright and the barrier islands of Ocean County. While some homes right on the ocean front in Deal/ Elberon were damaged by Sandy (a once in a lifetime storm event), most were actually protected by the elevation of the bluff.
It should also be considered that the sand the ACOE is pumping on the beaches is very poor quality, consisting of fines and large gravel, and will erode quickly, as it is poorly sorted and not suitable as beach sand. In short, the sand being pumped in this area is a waste of money.

Public access and parking is also very limited in this area as well, as large mansions and private beach clubs occupy much of the beachfront in northern Deal/Elberon. In the end, these "new" beaches being constructed by the ACOE will be mostly private beaches. A count of the residences in this area indicates only thirty homes located right along the beachfront. With a cost of approximately $87 million dollars for the beach replenishment project in north Deal/Elberon alone, the project is spending $2.9 million of public, tax payer dollars to "protect" each home, with mostly limited-access, private beaches.

This is literally money being washed away, for the limited benefit of an elite few, to the detriment of many."
Bill Dougherty

http://asburyparksun.com/dougherty-beach-replen-ishment-being-washed-away/

[surferman]

Got this from a surfing blog I am a member of. What scumbags!
http://newjersey.news12.com/news/construction-company-agate-construction-cited-for-dumping-material-on-the-beach-1.11499071
Construction company Agate Construction cited for dumping material on the beach

[finchaser]

http://patch.com/new-jersey/brick/army-corps-beach-replenishment-likely-wont-happen-2016-brick-mayor-says-0?utm_source=alert-breakingnews&utm_medium=email&utm_term=politics%20%26%20government&utm_campaign=alert

[njdiver]

Here is the citation:

https://m.facebook.com/groups/CitizensAgainst1124/files/

[njdiver]

More info on the illegal dumping in Deal:

http://cleanoceanaction.blogspot.com/2016/02/illegal-dumping-in-deal.html

[lostatsea]

"Manson Construction Company subcontracted work on the construction of outfalls to Agate Engineering. COA is in the process of getting the contract and project specifications for this reach of the Beach Erosion Control Project; however what we do know is that the subcontractor was supposed to remove the material offsite and properly dispose of it.
We discovered that the contractor had merely moved what was left of the material that had not washed away a block to the south (Ocean Lane) and a bit further up the beach away from the water, as well as sprinkled some clean sand on top of some of the piles of muck. However, there was no containment surrounding the pile, so the material was exposed to wind, waves, and tides, especially from a full moon nor'easter predicted for the next day. COA once again contacted State and Federal agencies to ensure that a real solution to this dirty dilemma was put into place.
By Monday afternoon, NJDEP Spokesperson Larry Hanja stated that NJDEP issued a notice of violation of the Waterfront Development Act and the Coastal Area Facility Review Act to Agate Engineering, however the specifics of the violation including penalty amounts are not yet known.
On Tuesday (February 23) we returned to the site (in the early afternoon which was around low tide) and discovered the contractor had put a 1 to 2 foot small black woven material ?silt fence? around the pile, and were in the process of using a bulldozer to push up a sand berm around the pile to shield it from the incoming storm."


So it appears the original company got a lot of moolah for the project. They then subcontracted with a sub to save even MORE money. This corruption stuff runs so deep. It was like they were doing this out in the open and didn't care. Why shouldn't Pallone or one of the politicians be held responsible for this? Just seems like more dirty business to me.

[finchaser]

Pallone be held responsible now that's funny it didn't happen in Lock Harbor where he lives so he could give a sh_t. Him and his corrupt buddy Menendez who was suppose to be indicted guest it was over looked like Hilliary

[bababooey]

I think there will be a lot of beach restoration coastwide after these fall hurricanes are done. jmo

[seamonkey]

Also creating some dangerous conditions. Read this today
"This photo & warning by JOE DOYLE > Be very careful walking along the high tide line in Margate. The sand can suddenly give way, and you're up to your thighs in quicksand.Picture was taken at Mansfield Ave on SAT afternoon. No less than a dozen people sunk into the sand, from their calves up to their thighs. One woman reported that it happened up closer to the pier as well.
Thanks to the Army Corp of Engineers & the NJ DEP for these public safety hazards: more rip currents, steep drops-offs, cliffs, contamination, and under-water landslides brought on by beach widening."

[finchaser]

Yep bay head,mantaloking and Normandy lost there appeal so the army corp of morons will bury all the groins and jetties
Jose but a temporary hold on it

[njdiver]

"Manson Construction Company subcontracted work on the construction of outfalls to Agate Engineering. COA is in the process of getting the contract and project specifications for this reach of the Beach Erosion Control Project; however what we do know is that the subcontractor was supposed to remove the material offsite and properly dispose of it.
We discovered that the contractor had merely moved what was left of the material that had not washed away a block to the south (Ocean Lane) and a bit further up the beach away from the water, as well as sprinkled some clean sand on top of some of the piles of muck. However, there was no containment surrounding the pile, so the material was exposed to wind, waves, and tides, especially from a full moon nor'easter predicted for the next day. COA once again contacted State and Federal agencies to ensure that a real solution to this dirty dilemma was put into place.
By Monday afternoon, NJDEP Spokesperson Larry Hanja stated that NJDEP issued a notice of violation of the Waterfront Development Act and the Coastal Area Facility Review Act to Agate Engineering, however the specifics of the violation including penalty amounts are not yet known.
On Tuesday (February 23) we returned to the site (in the early afternoon which was around low tide) and discovered the contractor had put a 1 to 2 foot small black woven material ?silt fence? around the pile, and were in the process of using a bulldozer to push up a sand berm around the pile to shield it from the incoming storm."


So it appears the original company got a lot of moolah for the project. They then subcontracted with a sub to save even MORE money. This corruption stuff runs so deep. It was like they were doing this out in the open and didn't care. Why shouldn't Pallone or one of the politicians be held responsible for this? Just seems like more dirty business to me.

COBRA has video proof that the material (marl) that they merely piled up was later bulldozed flat and eventually covered with pumped sand.

[captnemo]

^^That is good to hear. I hope they can put that together in a complaint before more people end up dead.

[captnemo]

man, 34, dies after he's pulled from rough surf in long branch
http://www.nj.com/monmouth/index.ssf/2017/09/man_34_dies_after_pulled_from_the_rough_surf_off_l .html

some more articles, really makes you think if it was worth it.
http://www.nj.com/monmouth/index.ssf/2017/09/how_many_rescues_were_at_the_jersey_shore_this_wee .html

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2017/09/2017_is_the_deadliest_for_rip_currents_in_nj_since .html

[fishinmission78]

Class action lawsuit would be the only thing that they understand. My .02

[bababooey]

Another story, human chain made to save woman from the rip current, and one of the rescuers died. Don't remember these types of stories before the beach replenishment.
http://www.app.com/story/news/crime/jersey-mayhem/2017/09/27/glen-carullo-bergen-county-florist-ocean-county-hero/706078001/

[clamchucker]

A battle by the owners near Risden Beach in point pleasant, interesting read.
http://www.nj.com/ocean/index.ssf/2017/12/privately-owned_jersey_shore_beach_faces_fierce_du.html