Fish ID thread

[dogfish]

banded rudderfish
3924


jack crevalle
3925

[7deadlyplugs]

I think this is a spiny pufferfish

[CharlieTuna]

Monkey goby

[seamonkey]

butterfly ray
4225

[seamonkey]

lizardfish

[seamonkey]

pigfish

[seamonkey]

Atlantic cutlassfish
4242

[lostatsea]

Atlantic cutlassfish
4242

That's a freaky fish. Looks like a big silver ribbon.

[albiealert]

sheepshead. Check out those teef! :D

[williehookem]

bluefish

[fishinmission78]

^ sharkbait :D

[crosseyedbass]

Found some cool pics on this Cali website. They go out to deepwater trenches and film all these funky creatures. check it out, the vampire squid is awesome.
http://www.mbari.org/data/images_video/animals.htm

[surferman]

dogfish

[storminsteve]

psychedelica fish, newly discovered:


In this undated photo released by David Hall of seaphotos.com, a recently discovered fish named 'psychedelica' is shown in the waters off Ambon island, Indonesia. The frog-like fish — which has a swirl of tan and peach zebra stripes that extend from its aqua eyes to its tail — was initially discovered by scuba divers working as guides for a tour operator a year ago in shallow waters off Ambon island in eastern Indonesia. The operator contacted Ted Pietsch, lead author of a paper published in this February's edition of Copeia, the journal of the American Society of Ichthyologists and Herpetologists, which identified it as a new species. (AP Photo/seaphotos.com, David Hall, HO)

[RI Popper]

the lips and teath of the sheepheads look just like Togs :)

[katiefishes]

What a pretty fish!!! Looks like me.:kiss:

http://stripersandanglers.com/Forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5350&stc=1&d=1235851888

[VSdreams]

Found a cool fish ID site
kingfish and some of the summer fish, croakers, etc. The 3rd one down is the tommycod.

kingfish
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croaker
7357

7358

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[VSdreams]

another one of the tommycod

[storminsteve]

cool site---

http://www.tcnj.edu/~hofmann/humor/Misc/WeirdFish/weirdfish.htm

[DarkSkies]

Sent in by Rip-plugger, thanks!
http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/index.asp


Welcome to fish facts, a collection of information about the wide variety of fish you can find in the state of Maryland. Below are listings of fish and aquatic life that are common to Maryland waters. The individual fact sheets provide identification information as well as where you can find the species, what they eat, breeding patterns and resource concerns.
Before you go fishing, make sure you know the rules and regulations (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/regulations/regindex.html) for the individual species, so you know if you are allowed to catch them, how big they must be and when it is legal to do so.

American Eel (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/eel.asp)
Anguilla rostratahttp://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/american_eel.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/eel.asp)
Longnose Gar (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/longnose_gar.asp)Lepisosteus osseus
http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/longnose_gar.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/longnose_gar.asp)


American Shad (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/americanshad.asp)
Alosa sapidissimahttp://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/american_shad.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/americanshad.asp)


Menhaden (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/menhaden.asp)
Brevoortia tyrannushttp://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/menhaden.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/menhaden.asp)


American Gizzard Shad (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/americangizzardshad.asp)
Dorosoma cepedianumhttp://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/gizzardshad.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/americangizzardshad.asp)

Monkfish (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/monkfish.asp)
Lophius americanushttp://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/monkfish.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/monkfish.asp)


Atlantic Croaker (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/atlanticcroaker.asp)
Micropogonias undulatushttp://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/atlantic_croaker.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/atlanticcroaker.asp)





Northern Pike (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/northernpike.asp)
Esox luciushttp://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/northern_pike.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/northernpike.asp)




Atlantic Sturgeon (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/atlanticsturgeon.asp)
Acipenser oxyrhinchushttp://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/atlanticsturgeon.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/atlanticsturgeon.asp)




Rainbow Trout (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/rainbowtrout.asp)
Oncorhynchus mykisshttp://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/rainbow_trout.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/rainbowtrout.asp)




Black Drum (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/blackdrum.asp)
Pogonias cromis
http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/black_drum.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/blackdrum.asp)




Red Drum (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/reddrum.asp)
Sciaenops ocellatashttp://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/red_drum.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/reddrum.asp)




Black Sea Bass (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/blackseabass.asp)
Centropristis striatus
http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/black_sea_bass.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/blackseabass.asp)




River Herring (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/herring.asp)
Alosa pseudoharengus
& Alosa aestivalishttp://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/alewife.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/herring.asp)




Bluefish (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/bluefish.asp)
Pomatomus saltatrixhttp://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/bluefish.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/bluefish.asp)




Smallmouth Bass (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/smallmouthbass.asp)
Micropterus dolomieuhttp://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/smallmouth_bass.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/smallmouthbass.asp)




Bluegill (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/bluegill.asp)
Lepomis macrochirushttp://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/bluegill.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/bluegill.asp)




Spiny Dogfish Shark (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/spinydogfishshark.asp)
Squalus acanthiashttp://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/spiny_dogfish.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/spinydogfishshark.asp)




Brook Trout (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/brooktrout.asp)
Salvelinus fontinalishttp://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/brook_trout.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/brooktrout.asp)




Spot (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/spot.asp)
Leiostomus xanthurushttp://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/spot.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/spot.asp)




Brown Trout (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/browntrout.asp)
Salmo truttahttp://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/brown_trout.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/browntrout.asp)

[DarkSkies]

Spotted Seatrout (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/spottedseatrout.asp)
Cynoscion nebulosus

http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/spotted_seatrout.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/spottedseatrout.asp)




Blue Catfish (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/bluecatfish.asp)
Ictalurus furcatus
http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/blue_catfish.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/bluecatfish.asp)


Striped Bass/Rockfish (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/stripedbass.asp)
Morone saxatilis
http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/striped_bass.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/stripedbass.asp)



Channel Catfish (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/channelcatfish.asp)
Ictalurus punctatus
http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/channel_catfish.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/channelcatfish.asp)



Striped Burrfish (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/stripedburrfish.asp)
Chilomycterus schoepfii
http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/burrfish_sm.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/stripedburrfish.asp)




White Catfish (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/whitecatfish.asp)
Ictaluarus catus
http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/white_catfish.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/whitecatfish.asp)



Tiger Muskie (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/tigermuskie.asp)
Esox masquinongy x Esox lucius
http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/muskellunge.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/tigermuskie.asp)



Chain Pickerel (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/chainpickerel.asp)
Esox niger
http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/chain_pickerel.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/chainpickerel.asp)



Walleye (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/walleye.asp)
Stizostedion vitreum
http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/walleye.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/walleye.asp)



Common Carp (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/commoncarp.asp)
Cyprinus carpio carpio
http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/common_carp.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/commoncarp.asp)



Weakfish (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/weakfish.asp)
Cynoscion regalis
http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/weakfish.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/weakfish.asp)


Summer Flounder (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/summerflounder.asp)
Paralichthyus dentatus
http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/summer_flounder.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/summerflounder.asp)


White Marlin (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/whitemarlin.asp)
Tetrapturus albidus
http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/white_marlin.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/whitemarlin.asp)

Hickory Shad (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/hickoryshad.asp)
Alosa mediocris
http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/hickoryshad.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/hickoryshad.asp)




White Perch (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/whiteperch.asp)
Morone americana

http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/whiteperch.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/whiteperch.asp)



Largemouth Bass (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/lgmouthbass.asp)
Micropterus salmoides
http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/largemouth_bass.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/lgmouthbass.asp)


Yellow Perch (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/yellowperch.asp)
Perca flavescens
http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/yellowperch.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/yellowperch.asp)




Shellfish
Bay Scallop (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/bayscallop.asp)
Argopecten irradianshttp://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/bay_scallop.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/bayscallop.asp)



Blue Crab (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/bluecrab.asp)
Callinectes sapidushttp://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/bluecrab.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/bluecrab.asp)




Eastern Oyster (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/easternoyster.asp)
Crassostrea virginicahttp://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/easternoyster.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/easternoyster.asp)



Horseshoe Crab (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/horseshoecrab.asp)
Limulus polyphemushttp://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/art/horseshoe_crab.gif (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/fishfacts/horseshoecrab.asp)

[DarkSkies]

Sent in by R-P, Goliath tigerfish, thanks!

10599

[basshunter]

freaky sea serpent
11107

11108

11109

[DarkSkies]

Sent in by OGB, thanks!


11218

11219

[RI Popper]

Sent in by OGB, thanks!


11218

11219
Ohhh I like that top picture buddy. It looks like the stuff nightmares are made of.:eek: LOL

Hope everyone has a wonderful Memorial day. Remember to say a prayer for our boys and girls still over seas.

Armand

[speedy]

Sent in by R-P, Goliath tigerfish, thanks!

10599

could you see a school of the tigerfish man the bunker, blues ,stripes would be gone.....:bigeyes: the teeth on them :wow::wow::wow:

[DarkSkies]

could you see a school of the tigerfish man the bunker, blues ,stripes would be gone.....:bigeyes: the teeth on them :wow::wow::wow:

Yup, also there would be a lot less people swimming and surfing around the jetties if they were here. :scared: :d



Ohhh I like that top picture buddy. It looks like the stuff nightmares are made of.:eek: LOL

Hope everyone has a wonderful Memorial day. Remember to say a prayer for our boys and girls still over seas.

Armand

Hey Armand how ya been? :HappyWave:
Best wishes to you and your family for a Happy Memorial Day and a great season. Are you into any large yet?

[RI Popper]

Thank you brother Happy Memorial Day to you and everyone here. I am alwayse humbled at the thougth of people offering their lives for us :rolleyes: Many wonderful brave people payed a lot.

[speedy]

Sent in by R-P, Goliath tigerfish, thanks!

10599
hey bro the tigerfish was on tv last night on river monster:wow::wow::wow::wow:

[surferman]

We have our own manowar species for the Atlantic.:eek:

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[captnemo]

spot (lafayette)

Leiostomus xanthurus
Size
to 14"
seldom that big
Habitat
Shallow coastal waters, bays, estuaries.
Description
these diminutive drums form an important fishery, both commercial and recreational.
Spot migrate seasonally, entering bays and estuaries in the spring where they remain until late summer or fall when they move offshore to spawn. When mature, spot are between 2-3 years of age and 7-8 inches long.
Spawning takes place in the ocean from fall to early spring, and the post-larva move into estuaries, utilizing low salinity tidal creeks where they develop into juveniles. As they grow, they move toward higher salinity areas during the summer and early fall and offshore in the fall as water temperatures decreases. Those that summered in the northern portion of their range also move south in autumn.
Spot prey on bivalves and tube-building polychaetes, often nipping bivalve siphons and polychaete tails. Additionally, adult spot feed on small crustaceans, small fish, and plant material. They eat by grabbing a mouthful of sediment, chewing, and then spitting out unwanted matter.

http://njscuba.net/zzz_uw/spot_leiostomus-xanthurus2.jpg



http://njscuba.net/biology/sw_fish_drums.html

[porgy75]

Does anyone know what this fish is? Got it in the surf on bloodworms right at sunset above Island Beach last week? It was about 9" long and fat. Thanks guys!

[finchaser]

croaker

[surfstix1963]

Thanks Fin I had that on the tip of my tongue since he asked I kept drawing a blank DUH!!!Brain Fart

[fishinmission78]

Yup nice fat one too.

[JustEd]

Poke an 8/0 through its lips and send it back out with a clipped fin.........................

[gjb1969]

and they taste good to

[jimmy z]

Yeah, live line something like that!

[jonthepain]

never saw one so fat...

they are very common down here. first one i ever caught gave me a start when it started croaking at me.

i think they are kin to drum.

very tasty fish.

[DarkSkies]

Differences between Cow Nose and Clear Nose Rays....


Cownose
http://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&source=hp&biw=1024&bih=533&q=cownose+ray&gbv=2&oq=cowno&aq=0&aqi=g8&aql=&gs_nf=1&gs_l=img.1.0.0l8.1518.2808.0.5635.5.5.0.0.0.0.137. 613.0j5.5.0.PAzRnOMh_h0


Clear nose
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&biw=1024&bih=533&gbv=2&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=clear+nose+ray&oq=clear+nose+ray&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_nf= (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&biw=1024&bih=533&gbv=2&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=clear+nose+ray&oq=clear+nose+ray&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_nf=1&gs_l=img.12...848321.871388.0.873349.7.7.0.0.0.0.1 68.925.0j7.7.0.gKqkbpv7so8)

[storminsteve]

I got this about a month ago bucktailing at Sandy Hook. Strangest thing I ever caught on a bucktail.
Anyone have an idea what it is? Thanks guys!


It was about 24" long and between 4-5lbs.

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[Monty]

Jeesh, first the monster you found on the beach and now this.
Monkfish or goosefish my guess?
What the heck you going to catch or stumble across next?

[storminsteve]

monty for some reason I have a habit of poking around in nasty places. I keep hoping that one time I might find dark on the beach and he might share some fishing tips with me.:HappyWave: What can I say - bizarre things fascinate me.:ROFLMAO

[cowherder]

That is one ugly looking mug.

[basshunter]

Looks like a monkfish they are good eating.

[DarkSkies]

I keep hoping that one time I might find dark on the beach and he might share some fishing tips with me.:HappyWave:

Steve, you're always welcome as long as ya can keep up...Rip tried to keep up with me and Monty and ended up out of energy at the end of the night.....:scared: :HappyWave:

As for fishing tips, as there are less fish around the strategy has gotten different....fishiing the pinch points and edges of fish highways seems to work the best at night....sometimes good for a bass or 2...you can always get in touch anytime before ya head out at night if ya need updates.....:fishing:

[DarkSkies]

Striped Burrfish, courtesy of Monty.....:HappyWave:




Fished ocean side this morning, 1:00-10:00, one area, but miles of it. Caught a short striper on Mag-darter around 4:30 (just as it entered the white water). Then only one small blue a little after sun-up. Could see some small bait being harassed for about an hour after daylight. Was a little breezy out there for awhile after the sun was up.
Also around 3:00 I "caught" another wacky fish. Its been a real weird year fishing so far for me.

http://rocksimpson.com/images/2012_9_23_fish.jpg
No idea what this was.

[DarkSkies]

Nice menagerie you caught there dude. Looks like a striped burrfish aka spiny puffer.
You can kiss them for good luck. They will not shock you like a stargazer. That way maybe you will catch more next time.:laugh:

Some info -
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=striped+burrfish&hl=en&biw=1024&bih=616&tbm=isch&tbnid=UGOumO2d7i78SM:&imgrefurl=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Striped_burrfish&docid=_ddWLstQqm_LxM&imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Striped_burrfish_(Chilomycterus_schoepfi).jpg/220px-Striped_burrfish_(Chilomycterus_schoepfi).jpg&w=220&h=147&ei=dY9fUNqwBtDI0AGplYHQBg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=134&vpy=125&dur=78&hovh=117&hovw=176&tx=106&ty=66&sig=101099915795517379898&page=1&tbnh=117&tbnw=167&start=0&ndsp=15&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:97


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Striped_burrfish


Thanks for the info Buckethead. :thumbsup:

[buckethead]

Your welcome dark.

[Monty]

Striped Burrfish, courtesy of Monty.....:HappyWave:


If there out there I'll catch em.....eventually.
I caught this in 2008, think in early October around Long Branch.
Any ideas what this is?


http://www.rocksimpson.com/images/2008_odd_catch.jpg

[vpass]

If there out there I'll catch em.....eventually.
I caught this in 2008, think in early October around Long Branch.
Any ideas what this is?



That's a jack crevalle. Very common down in south florida. My biggest was about 10 pounds cauught many 2 to 3 pounders lots of fun. I don't think their edible.

[surfstix1963]

You must be fishing the Gulf Stream Monty look for colder water for the bass and blues LMAO.

[finchaser]

Definately a Jack, White Water,hell of a cast to reach the gulf stream from a jersey beach

[Monty]

Definately a Jack, White Water,hell of a cast to reach the gulf stream from a jersey beach
Was a decent west wind that day.

[storminsteve]

You must be fishing the Gulf Stream Monty look for colder water for the bass and blues LMAO.

Haha rofl.:clapping:

[williehookem]

Has anyone seen lizard fish yet? Last year they were all over around this time

A boat got one off of Moriches today, Thhey were looking for a fish ID, here is the pic.
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[DarkSkies]

The significance of eating mullet......

It creeps me out just thinking about it.:scared:..to me mullet are bait....
but there are cultures that celebrate the coming of the mullet...whole families go out there, from the youngest to the oldest, to get the mullet that will sustain them through the winter.....

Generally, these folks are from areas like Guyana and the West Indies.....
A Guyanese friend, mullet netter and obsessive fisherman.... this is one of a few pics he sent me.......

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The above are mostly corncob mullet.....








He also shared the following info about how they eat the mullet and other fish, and what it means to their culture.......

"We clean and scale many of the mullet right when we catch them.
thats why you will see Grandma and some of the women sitting on buckets at the water's edge cleaning fish.

We also like to eat spearing. We clean them right away, deep fry them, and eat with hot sauce and hot spices."



"The corncob mullet, we call them the 'carryman' because they are so big they can carry your net away"


" These are the mullet that are usually left after all the others go out...and we also call them and the other mullet that are left...the 'remaindermen'...."


When the last mullet leave, we have kind of a song and prayer for them, to mark their going away"

[hookedonbass]

Can anyone ID this crab shell I found near an inlet? thanks


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[storminsteve]

Dunno some kind of rock crab? Definitely not a spider crab.

[finchaser]

Dead Crab

Could have been pushed north from who knows where by Sandy

[DarkSkies]

Atlantic Sardines...

Fin and I were talking about these...used to show up regularly in the Spring...now it's more sporadic...thought some of ya's might want to see a pic.....

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[DarkSkies]

Atlantic Herring....
these traditionally come in to the rivers and brackish ponds in the Spring....the Herring fishery is currently closed in NJ and some other states

It has been mentioned that some of the fresh water ponds and flumes they used to traverse are now blocked by sand and other obstacles....so besides the Delaware, Hudson and some bigger rivers, Herring spawning may be negatively affected this year due to the devastation from Sandy.....

Pic of an Atlantic herring, usually twice as large as our Atlantic sardines pictured above......
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[DarkSkies]

Some other threads members might like to read:

http://stripersandanglers.com/Forum/showthread.php?2236-Differences-between-herring-and-hickory-shad&highlight=HERRING+SHAD

[storminsteve]

Thanks ds.

[DarkSkies]

Some new bait is starting to show up sporadically in the surf. Thanks to Fin for sending this. :HappyWave:
We're still trying to figure out exactly what it is......
Courtesy of Cloverleaf.ca and the Maine Institute.......


http://www.cloverleaf.ca/en/company/seafood-school/sardines.html


Sardines

The ocean is one of the few remaining natural systems where wild species are harvested by humans on a grand scale. Just as marine birds and mammals have taken advantage of bountiful herring/sardine schools along northern coasts, humans in marine environments have long depended upon this resource for sustenance. Atlantic herring fisheries existed as early as 240 A.D. Nearly every culture along North Atlantic coasts, from historical tribes and settlements to modern communities, have fished for herring/sardines.

Here is where you can learn as much as you would like. We have set up this section for you to get a better understanding of what you are eating and how it gets to your table.


Sardine’s Life Cycle

Sardines, or pilchards, are a group of several types of small, oily fish related to herring (of the family Clupeidae). Sardines were named after the Mediterranean island of Sardinia, where they were once found in abundance.
The terms sardine and pilchard are not precise, and the usual meanings vary by region. One system suggests that fish shorter than 15 cm (6 in) in length are sardines, and larger ones, pilchards. The International Codex standard for canned sardines cites 21 species that may be classed as sardines; FishBase, a comprehensive database of information about fish, lists at least six species called just pilchard, over a dozen called just sardine, and many more with the two basic names qualified by various adjectives.
As a food, sardines are rich in minerals. They are commonly sold canned, but fresh sardines are often grilled, pickled or smoked.
Herring are pelagic, fish that inhabit the open sea and offshore banks for most of their lives. Young juveniles (brit) are numerous in inshore waters along the coast in the spring and summer. Adults migrate across hundreds of kilometers of ocean during their life span. In the winter, schools of migrating Atlantic herring can join forces, forming massive expanses of fish as far as the eye can see. In the North Atlantic, people have observed herring schools measuring up to 4.5 billion cubic meters (over four cubic kilometers) in volume, with densities of up to one fish per cubic meter.


Larvae

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Herring eggs that do not succumb to low oxygen levels or hungry predators hatch in about 7-10 days. Early development can take place over a wide salinity range, with the rate of development largely determined by water temperature.
Like many organisms, the larval and adult stages of herring are very different in appearance. Larval herring are elongated, transparent and entirely lacking scales. Larvae are approximately 5 to 7 mm long when they hatch and carry a yolk sac that provides a mobile food reserve.
As they deplete their yolk reserve (+/- 10 days), their tiny mouthparts develop enough to allow them to capture and swallow small prey. The transition to feeding in fish larvae is considered a critical period in which mortality is catastrophically high.
Larvae are weak swimmers, but are able to lunge at tiny larval plankton and eggs drifting nearby. Larval herring feed on a variety of tiny plankton. They can attack and fit in their mouths the eggs and larval stages of copepods, clams, barnacles, and shrimp.
After hatching, the journey of the pelagic larvae is primarily at the mercy of the prevailing currents, tides and wind. Depending on environmental conditions like water temperature, the larval stage lasts from 3 to 11 (typically 6) months.
Not surprisingly, mortality levels are high during this vulnerable life-history stage - the odds of survival are stacked against these odd-looking transparent drifters. The pelagic phase is long and the young fish are potentially dispersed over a huge geographical area. Some researchers estimate that only about 1% of herring larvae survive to become juvenile fish.


Juvenile

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In the spring, larvae metamorphose into juvenile herring. Scales form, their bodies begin to deepen and flatten, and they are no longer transparent, taking on the silvery blue-green colours characteristic of adults. In short, they begin to look like herring.
The young herring, now termed brit, are about 40 mm long. The brit herring migrate towards shore, collecting in dense schools near the surface.
Aggregations of brit herring enter shallow bays and inlets, where they migrate vertically in the water column in response to light cycles. Dispersed throughout the water column during the day, they collect in surface waters at night to feed on their zooplankton prey. In the late summer and fall, when adults are migrating onshore to spawning grounds, the brit move offshore to spend winter close to the bottom.
Brit serve as an important food source for many predators and, as a result, are commonly spotted hiding under docks and piers. Mackerel, striped bass and many sea birds, including puffins, gulls, and terns, focus their attention on brit herring schools.


Adult

Atlantic herring mature when they reach three to four years old, at which time they measure approximately 23-26 cm (9-10 in) in length. In the Gulf of Maine, they can live for 12 years or so and reach a maximum length of approximately 40 cm (15 in) at a weight of about 680 grams (1.5 lbs).
Atlantic herring migrate over great distances of open sea. They migrate to feed. They migrate to spawn. They migrate to their winter grounds. Researchers and fishermen alike have studied the spawning migrations of herring in the Gulf of Maine.
In general, the spawning pattern of herring conforms to the typical triangular migration pattern common in pelagic schooling fish. Adults migrate against currents from feeding grounds to spawning grounds. Larvae drift passively away with currents, and juveniles eventually swim back out to join adults at feeding grounds


What do they eat?

Herring survive entirely by feeding on plankton - the tiny drifters of the ocean. There are two basic types of plankton: phytoplankton (plants) and zooplankton (animals). The zooplankton community, comprised of invertebrate and fish larvae, as well as many species that remain drifters for life (holoplankton), is thought by some scientists to be the biggest source of protein in the world's oceans and is, not surprisingly, an important food source for many organisms. Although herring are opportunistic feeders, they feed primarily on small holoplanktonic crustaceans called copepods.
Herring feed at night in the upper water column, following the massive vertical migrations of zooplankton that inhabit deep waters by day and surface waters by night. Research has shown that herring feed on zooplankton in several ways. Much like the way a whale strains zooplankton from the water with its baleen plates; herring are able to use their gill rakers to filter-feed. Herring can also visually detect larger prey, such as an individual copepod or a mysid shrimp, and execute directed attacks on these targets.


Species

There are several species of fish in the herring family. Typically, herring are small, streamlined, schooling planktivores, or plankton-feeders. The nearly 200 true herring species in the family Clupeidae, share several distinguishing characteristics. Herring are silvery fish with a single dorsal fin, no lateral line, and a protruding, bulldog-like lower jaw.
Unlike many other fish, true herring have soft fins that lack spines, although some have pointed scales that form a saw-toothed "keel" running along the belly.
Streamlined for swimming, the herring body is relatively deep and flattened laterally (side-to-side), with a distinctly forked tail (caudal fin). Turn an Atlantic herring sideways and you could probably slide it under your closet door. The compressed body and silvery scales serve as camouflage in the open waters of the ocean, scattering light and helping to conceal herring from predators attacking from the deep.
In general, species of the herring family are characterized by large spawning migrations, with schools of fish traveling round trip distances of up to 3000 km (1800 mi). Within the boundaries of these common traits, the many species of the herring family are actually quite distinct from one another in terms of size, appearance, behavior, and distribution.


Atlantic herring

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Norway brisling

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In the North Pacific Ocean the Pacific herring, Clupea pallasii, closely resembles our Atlantic species, Clupea harengus. While morphologically similar, there are some differences in their life histories. Atlantic herring spawn in the spring and fall whereas Pacific herring are strictly spring spawners. Pallasii is the Latinized last name of Petrus Simon Pallas, a Russian naturalist and explorer who first described the Pacific species during his travels in the North Pacific.


Harvesting

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The Fixed Gear Weir Fishery
The fixed gear weir fishery still exists today, primarily along Grand Manan Island and New Brunswick's Bay of Fundy coast. Modern herring weirs are similar to the early Native American versions. They consist of a fence of long stakes driven into the ground with nets arranged in a circle or heart shape. The bottom stake rises just above low tide level and is lashed to a top stake that rises several feet above high water. Securely fastened to the weir stakes from top to bottom is a massive net.
Swimming along the shore at night, schools of young herring bump into the lead line or fence and are directed towards the shore to enter the weir through its open mouth. Once inside the weir, the herring are unable to exit and swim in a circular pattern. Fishermen check their weirs at sunrise, using boats and manpower to purse seine the trapped herring from the weir. From here, the herring are transferred to larger boats called herring "carriers" which bring the catch to nearby processing plants.


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Purse Seining
Purse seining is the process of catching schooling fish near the ocean surface by circling them with a net. Once the fish have been encircled, a wire (purse line) running through the bottom of the net is winched tight to "close the purse" from below. Purse seining for herring can be especially tricky as the entire process is run in the dark of night when herring swim to the surface to feed on rising phytoplankton. No lights are used until the seine is closed.
The top of the net stays at the surface, buoyed by a float line. The bottom of the net is connected to the purse line by large, metal clips called rings. These also act as weights that sink the net to depths of up to 100 meters.
When the net is in place, a winch on the deck of the seiner pulls in both ends of the purse line, closing off the bottom of the seine net like a giant drawstring.
Once the bottom of the seine is closed, preventing the herring from escaping, one end of the seine net is run through a large, hydraulically driven power block located at the top of a crane. As the net is lowered through the powerblock, it is stacked on deck in preparation for the next set. This process slowly pulls the portion of the seine net still in the water shipward, forming a concentrated pocket of herring.
A submersible pump is then lowered into the pocket, pumping fish to a dewatering box, then to holds below the deck or to herring carriers waiting nearby. The entire process is repeated as many as five times in a single night with as many as 200 tons of fish captured during each set.


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Mid water trawling
Mid-water (pelagic) trawling is the process of deploying and towing a net at a chosen depth in the water column to catch schooling fish such as herring and mackerel. This differs from "bottom" (benthic) trawling in which a net is dragged along the ocean bottom where fish such as cod, haddock, and flounders live.
On the east coast of North America, fishermen typically use large mesh at the front end of mid-water trawl nets. This allows for very large net openings compared to wide, but vertically narrow bottom trawls. The large front end of the net herds schooling fish toward the back end, where they are trapped in the narrow "brailer". Independently swimming fish leave the trawl net at will.
To set the trawl, net is unrolled from a net reel until completely in the water. The net is held open along the bottom with 450-2200 kg (1000-5000 lbs) of wing-tip weights and foot chain under the foot rope, which connects the wing tips. The sides of the deployed net are spread horizontally with two large metal foils, called "doors", positioned in front of the net. As the trawler moves forward, the doors, and therefore the net, are forced outward. Alternatively, two vessels working together as "pair trawlers" can pull a single net between them, enabling the use of a large net due to reduced drag from not using doors to keep the net open.
Once off the reel, the net is attached by cable to winches on each side of the ship. Net depth and position are controlled using both speed of the boat and amount of wire released. A good analogy is flying a kite where wind speed and line released determine height. However, the captain of a trawler cannot see what is happening in the net hundreds of meters behind and below the vessel. They must rely on an array of sophisticated electronics, such as sonar units attached to the net, to relay information about the net's shape, how the fish are schooling, and how many fish have become entrapped in the net.
When the captain determines it is time to haul back (as little as 10 minutes or as much as 8 hours after setting the net), the long tow cables are winched in and the net is spooled onto a large net reel. A pump is attached to the end of the net and fish are pumped into a dewatering box and into holds below deck. A few trawlers bring the full net along one side then hoist small sections of the net for release on deck and into holds. This process is repeated until the net is emptied.


Processing
Delivery
The fish arrive at the plant either directly on the vessels, by sardine carrier or by truck and are pumped into the plant using large vacuum pumps designed for handling fish. Once in the plant, fish are transported to the grading room, where they are graded for size and flumed to holding tanks, where they are held in ice and brine. The salt water ice slurry refrigeration method insures that the fish are as fresh in the can as just caught. The temperature is held around 0°C (32°F) and quality control inspection continues at every step of the process.
Packing
From the holding tanks, the fish are transferred to the various packing and cutting lines as required. Traditional hand packing, semi-automatic packing, and in some plants fully-automated packing lines are used. On the hand packing line, the packers use scissors to remove the head and tail and place the cut fish into the can. With both the semi-automatic packing line and fully-automated line, the fish are placed in pockets, the heads and tails are removed by machines and the cut fish are placed in cans. The heads and tails are not wasted, they are processed into fish meal and oil that is used in a number of other industries.
Pre-cooking
Cans containing fish are placed onto racks. Full racks are loaded into carts, which are then placed into a pre-cooker that uses steam to cook the fish, reducing the moisture content and firming the fish. The carts are removed from the pre-cooker, tipped to drain the water from the cans and then cooled.
Seaming
The cooked cans are taken out of the racks and placed onto the seaming line where other ingredients such as sauces are added. The lid is placed on the can and hermetically seamed or sealed, conveyed to a can washer to ensure can cleanliness and then transferred to the retorts.
Retorting
The retort is a high pressure vessel used for cooking and sterilization. The canned product is cooked in the retorts for 45 to 60 minutes, depending on the product, at a temperature of 115°C (240°F). Upon completion the cans are removed, drained and cooled before handling. It is during the retort stage that the bones in the sardines are softened.
The sardine canneries in Maine and New Brunswick almost, exclusively process young Atlantic herring. In other locations, however, a can labeled "sardines" may contain an entirely different type of fish. The Pacific sardine (Sardinops sagax), or pilchard, is the fish that inspired "Cannery Row" in Monterey, California, immortalized by American writer John Steinbeck. While they share the same family (Clupeidae) and sometimes the same name on a can label, Atlantic herring and Pacific sardines are two distinct species.
Regulations and by-catches
The North Sea herring is managed according to the EU-Norway Management Agreement from 1997, revised in 2004. Quotas are set for the directed fishery and for by-catches in other fisheries with the aim of minimizing the by-catch of immature fish. The agreement sets limits for maximum fishery mortalities (0.25 for adults and 0.12 for juveniles) when the spawning stock is above 1.3 mill tons (Bpa). The revised agreement includes a TAC (total allowable catch) change limit of +/-15%.
The EU has a quota for by-catch of herring in the industrial fisheries while by-catches of herring taken in Norwegian fisheries are allocated against the quota. Norway has 29% of the annual TAC. Part of the international catch control system has not been fully efficient, and unreported catches in excess of quotas have been revealed for the years 2002-2004. International efforts are made to solve these problems.
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[DarkSkies]

New Bait showed up, will post a pic when I get a chance........

Well that was fast!....the OGB may have already identified it.......I knew there was a reason to keep ya around.....When you start to need Depends, the first case will be on me.....:laugh: thanks :kiss:....:HappyWave:



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American gizzard shad


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American gizzard shad


Scientific classification (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/Biological_classification)


Kingdom:
Animalia (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/Animal)


Phylum:
Chordata (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/Chordate)


Class:
Actinopterygii (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/Actinopterygii)


Order:
Clupeiformes (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/Clupeiformes)


Family:
Clupeidae (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/Clupeidae)


Subfamily:
Dorosomatinae (http://stripersandanglers.com/w/index.php?title=Dorosomatinae&action=edit&redlink=1)


Genus:
Dorosoma (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/Dorosoma)


Species:
S. cepedianum


Binomial name (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/Binomial_nomenclature)


Dorosoma cepedianum
(Lesueur (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/Charles_Alexandre_Lesueur), 1818)



The American gizzard shad, Dorosoma cepedianum, is a fish (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/Fish) of the herring family Clupeidae (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/Clupeidae) native to fresh and salt waters of eastern North America (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/North_America).
Like other gizzard shads, the body is deep somewhat forward of the middle. It is a grayish or silvery blue above, becoming silver on the sides and white below. The dorsal fin (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/Dorsal_fin) has 10-12 rays; in adults, the last ray is very long, extending beyond the rest of the fin. The caudal fin (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/Caudal_fin) is deeply forked. They can reach a length of 22.5 inches (57 cm), and weigh up to 4.37 lbs (1980 grams). 15% of D. cepedianum breeds in its second year about 59,000 eggs, the rest about 379,000 in its third year.[1] (http://stripersandanglers.com/Forum/#cite_note-1)
American gizzard shad begin life feeding on zooplankton (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/Zooplankton), using their teeth to catch them. At about 1 inch in length, they lose the teeth, become deeper-bodied, develop the muscular gizzard (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/Gizzard), and become filter feeders (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/Filter_feeder), consuming both small invertebrates and phytoplankton (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/Phytoplankton), as well as some sand (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/Sand) for the gizzard.
They live in a variety of open waters, both clear and silty, including rivers, swamps, lakes, and bays, typically near the surface. They avoid fast-moving water, But have been witnessed in large schools near, and under, dams, warm water outlets, and turbine outflows.
Native range extends from the Great Lakes (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/Great_Lakes) and St. Lawrence River (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/St._Lawrence_River) area west to eastern South Dakota (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/South_Dakota) and central New Mexico (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/New_Mexico), as well as to the Gulf of Mexico (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/Gulf_of_Mexico), where it has been found as far south as Rio Panuco (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/Rio_Panuco) in Mexico (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/Mexico).
The specific epithet cepedianum honors French naturalist Bernard Germain de Lacépède (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/Bernard_Germain_de_Lac%C3%A9p%C3%A8de) (1756-1825).
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This article may contain inappropriate or misinterpreted citations (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/Wikipedia:CITE) that do not verify (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/Wikipedia:V) the text. Please help improve this article (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=American_gizzard_shad&action=edit) by checking for inaccuracies. (help (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/Help:Editing), talk (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/Talk:American_gizzard_shad), get involved! (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Fact_and_Reference_Check)) (May 2009)


Gizzard shad are a preferred food of the largemouth bass (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/Largemouth_bass), an economically important sport fish, and they reproduce rapidly. For this reason, it is widely believed that bass fishing is best where gizzard shad are abundant. The practice of introducing gizzard shad to improve bass fishing is controversial.
Gizzard shad do provide large bass with a steady supply of quality food. They grow faster than bluegill (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/Bluegill) and are easier for bass to swallow, so large bass (approx. five pounds or larger) benefit from shad introduction. Also, by providing bass with alternate prey, they reduce predatory pressure on young bluegill.
However, in public lakes with heavy fishing pressure, gizzard shad are of questionable value. They grow quickly and can easily grow too large for most bass to swallow, so their value as a forage fish is questionable.
Although bluegill (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/Bluegill) enjoy reduced predatory pressure in the presence of gizzard shad, their young also compete with shad for food.
Gizzard shad contribute to eutrophication (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/Eutrophication), both by fertilizing algae with their copious feces and by preying on "grazing" zooplankton (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/Zooplankton) that normally feed on algae.
Using them as live bait is illegal in most public lakes and regulations must be check before using them and transporting these fish.
[edit (http://stripersandanglers.com/w/index.php?title=American_gizzard_shad&action=edit&section=2)] References

William F. Sigler and John W. Sigler, Fishes of Utah (University of Utah Press, 1996), pp. 59–62
Froese, Rainer and Pauly, Daniel, eds. (2006). "Dorosoma cepedianum" (http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?genusname=Dorosoma&speciesname=cepedianum) in FishBase (http://stripersandanglers.com/wiki/FishBase). October 2006 version.
Doug Keller, "The Truth about Shad." Outdoor Indiana, May/June 2006, pp. 37–39.
"Stocking Gizzard Shad for Trophy Bass (http://www.bassresource.com/fish_biology/gizzard_shad.html)," Kedric Nutt. Retrieved 3/14/2008.

[edit (http://stripersandanglers.com/w/index.php?title=American_gizzard_shad&action=edit&section=3)] Notes

^ (http://stripersandanglers.com/Forum/#cite_ref-1) Elements of Ecology, 6th edition, Robert Leo Smith, Thomas M. Smith, Pearson Education, Inc., Benjamin Cummings, 2006; italian version Elementi di Ecologia, Pearson Paravia Bruno Mondadori S.p.A, 2009, page 172



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[DarkSkies]

** We gotta keep looking Fin....the pic here is of a juvenile gizzard shad....nothing like the bait that was reported to your crew......


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Yet the one here....
Looks a little more like it......except that the reports I am getting from different areas say this fish is more cigar shaped, like a mullet, with a forked tail.....


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http://gallery.nanfa.org/v/members/Nate+Tessler/nativenorthamericanfreshwaterfish/Clupeidae/Dorosoma/cepedianum/Gizzard+Shad_+Maumee+River_+8-26-09_+NT.jpg.html

[madcaster]

Fish RB managed a few more blues ....some good gators. camera was full didn't get a pic of them 16950 I was able to take a pic of this thing a snagged ....needle fish ?

[hookset]

MC that is a needle fish or gar as they are sometimes called down south. Good sign sometimes bass will follow them. More signs of food showing up there were small blues breaking on rainfish right before dark.

[buckethead]

Some new bait is starting to show up sporadically in the surf. Thanks to Fin for sending this. :HappyWave:
We're still trying to figure out exactly what it is......
Courtesy of Cloverleaf.ca and the Maine Institute.......


http://www.cloverleaf.ca/en/company/seafood-school/sardines.html


The terms sardine and pilchard are not precise, and the usual meanings vary by region. One system suggests that fish shorter than 15 cm (6 in) in length are sardines, and larger ones, pilchards. The International Codex standard for canned sardines cites 21 species that may be classed as sardines; FishBase, a comprehensive database of information about fish, lists at least six species called just pilchard, over a dozen called just sardine, and many more with the two basic names qualified by various adjectives.
Gulf of Maine Research Institute

Very informative finchaser thanks for the info. Dark I'm going with gizzard shad or sardines. There are a lot of different types of sardines mentioned. Hard to tell sometimes. look forward to the pic you took maybe that will help.

[buckethead]

Nice. I fished the surf in somoco. Sunset till 1am. 4 small bass on bucktail and pork rind. Tried plugging and got one bass on the sp but it barely nudged the plug. Water felt pretty cold but it was clean. madcaster that is a needlefish.

[finchaser]

16952the fish with the long dorsal fin you took a picture of is a gizzard shad or thread fin I'd bet your life on it

[DarkSkies]

16952I'd bet your life on it


See how generous this grouchy basstid is....now he's betting my life on things....:laugh:


Yep, once again I would have to agree, you nailed it, fin.....:thumbsup: after more thought it has to be gizzard or threadfin shad...will post the pics when I get a chance....

Another interesting thing....one of the guys who caught a lot of bluefish last week, described things in the bellies that looked like butterfish. (much different and bigger than these juvenile gizzard shad)..eating out at the Mud Hole or some stop on their travels as they came in from offshore......thanks as always, ya Grouchy Basstid....:kiss: :HappyWave:

[DarkSkies]

These are the pics. It appears Fin may be right.


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[storminsteve]

I would never have guessed that. I know gizzard shad show up in the passaic every spring. You realize they have to get there from the salt water but have never seen them in the surf. Thanks for the info finchaser.

[hookedonbass]

I would never have guessed that. I know gizzard shad show up in the passaic every spring. You realize they have to get there from the salt water but have never seen them in the surf. Thanks for the info finchaser.

me neither thanks for posting it

[madcaster]

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I think this is a puffer ??? not sure or a trigger fish ???

[hookset]

puffer/trigger - madcaster are you fishing in the bay? Maybe it fell out from the belford pirates when they got back to port. looks a bit like the trigger below at first but has the body of a puffer. those stripes threw me off. It also doesn't have a trigger fish tail. To me it looks like some kind of blowfish.
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whatever it is its a nice find.

[J Barbosa]

Definitely a puffer fish. White belly and fins are a clear giveaway.

[hookset]

Fish egg ID? - I know this is a fish id thread but wondered if anybody could id these fish eggs. They seem to be all along the bayshore. Horseshoe crab eggs? In this pic if you look closely you can see them lining the fibers of that sea weed plant or whatever iit is. They all look like small clear bubbles and are stuck to that sea weed-ish type plant. I have been finding them on similar plants, or on small pieces of dead twigs, etc,
Any guesses as to what species they are?
thanks

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[buckethead]

^^^^^^ hookset I wanted to say that they were horseshoe crab eggs but they usually don't attach themselves to vegetation like that, When you see the birds picking the sand in the crab mating areas it's because those eggs get buried in the sand until ready. The birds seek out and peck for those eggs.
Here is a pic of what the egg area looks like. The eggs look a little similar to yours. Crab eggs are little darker. That would rule out them being from horseshoe crabs.
Maybe someone can id those eggs above?

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[surferman]

^^^^^^^^Very informative info about the eggs. Never knew that. one I grabbed of a lionfish. They say they are taking over all the reefs in Florida and such.
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[Monty]

Fished this morning 2:30-8:30.
Great conditions.
Hit on a Hogy early on, missed.
Lost a bass around 3:30 on a SS Bottle.
Then finally broke my little slump with a bass on the SS bottle around 4:30.
Added one short around 7:30 on a 6" rubber shad.
Had a couple bumps in the dark, not much action at all after sun up.

Great time out there, incredible weather, nice water, not much catching, but the fishing was lots of fun.





Sand eel
http://rocksimpson.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/2014_10_7_Sand_Eel.jpg

[J Barbosa]

Thats a weird looking sand eel?

[Monty]

Thats a weird looking sand eel?

Is it one?
I thought it was. Pic was bad. Skinny, straightened out to around 4".
Wiggled like crazy off the hook.

[hookset]

Is it one?
I thought it was. Pic was bad. Skinny, straightened out to around 4".
Wiggled like crazy off the hook.


I was scratching my head looking at that too monty. Sand eel maybe. Is it possible it's a baby lizard fish? I know lizard fish are more with the vertical stripes but at that juvenile size and angle it's hard to tell.
The sunrise pics are awesome. Some of the nicest I have seen anywhere. Did you see a lot of folks on the beach up there? My buddy heard of a slight bite in the last 2 days. Wondering if the crowds started to flock to mecca yet.
nice job on the bass.

[Monty]

^^^^^^^^^^^
Was dark and couldn't tell about stripes. It seemed to wiggle and try to bury itself in the sand. Was kinda long and skinny.Think I saw 3 other guys in the 6 hours over a good mile and half of beach.

[J Barbosa]

^^^^^^^^^^^
Was dark and couldn't tell about stripes. It seemed to wiggle and try to bury itself in the sand. Was kinda long and skinny.Think I saw 3 other guys in the 6 hours over a good mile and half of beach.

Its hard to tell from pictures as they can distort colors and sizes.

[surfstix1963]

could be a juvenile toadfish

[plugginpete]

I thought that too surfstix.

[stripercrazy]

Dogtooth tuna

http://cdn.grindtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Dogtooth_Mercier.jpg

Christian Mercier displays 230-pound dogtooth tuna that is tied for the IGFA all-tackle world record; photo courtesy of IGFA



Dogtooth tuna are also called scaleless tuna, lizard-mouth tuna, white tuna, vau, atu, kidukidu, or dadori. They inhabit tropical and subtropical areas of the Indian and western Pacific Oceans, and are considered excellent table fare?by both humans and sharks.

http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/outposts/post/giant-dogtooth-tuna-becomes-shark-bait/