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hookset
03-11-2009, 03:42 PM
Here are some pointers:

Long-Distance Surf Casting Techniques

By Randy Kadish

We've all been there. Standing in the beautiful, vast surf, casting our long rods for hours without a single hit.
So we wonder, maybe this just isn't our day. We cast again, but our concentration has ebbed, so instead of watching the line and maintaining contact with the lure, we lose ourselves in the music of crashing waves--until the music is pierced by the sharp, shriek-like howls of seagulls.

Down the beach a flock circles and dives: a sure sign bait fish and probably stripers our moving towards us. Something goes off in us. An adrenaline rush? A predatory instinct?
We don't exactly what, or how to describe it, but it's changed us. Electricity seems to be surging through us. We're wired. Eagerly, we watch and wait.
The seagulls move close.
But darn! They're out of our casting reach.
Disappointed, we wonder, what will we tell our wives--that the stripers just weren't running, again? Maybe. But the sad thing is, it doesn't have to be that way. The seagulls, you see, aren't beyond out reach. They're beyond our skills.
Exactly what do I mean?
For years tournament fly casters have been refining their techniques, and as a result are now casting farther than before. Can their techniques can help us surfcasters reach that faraway fish? Yes, I believe so.
But on a crowded beach, will we have to risk hooking someone with our lure? Absolutely not.
To help me explain, let's begin by looking at some universal casting principals.
FUNDAMENTALS OF THE CAST

1. The lure will move in the direction the rod tip moved just before it was stopped.
2. To effectively load the rod we must begin the cast slowly, then accelerate and reach maximum speed just before we stop the rod. (If we begin the cast too fast the lure will also move too fast and, therefore, not fully pull on the rod.)
3. To use all the power stored in a loaded rod, we must abruptly stop the rod without lowering the tip from the target line. 4. All things being equal, if we lengthen our casting stroke the more we will load the rod.

With these principals in mind let's now turn to the techniques of long-distance surf casting.
THE GRIP


Any slack in the line will make it impossible to fully load the rod. Long-distance fly casters, therefore, make sure they begin the cast with their rod and line hands close together so slack can't come between them.

When casting a spinning rod we often add slack by not holding the line with enough tension. Even worse, just before we abruptly stop the rod, our index finger often prematurely releases the line and the lure sails high and off to the right. To avoid this, I place two fingers in front of the reel stem and two behind. I pickup the line with my right index finger, then I move my hand back so that only my index finger is in front of the stem. Next, I pull the line up and back and gently press my fingertip against the stem, but not the line. (I like to feel the weight of the lure to cast it accurately.) When casting heavy lures, I recommend wearing a golf glove so the line doesn't cut your finger.

THE SLINGSHOT STANCE


My left foot is forward--I'll assume you're right-handed--and points straight at the target. My right foot points about thirty degrees to the right of the target. My feet are shoulder-width apart. (If my right foot it too far back or too far outward I will not be able to fully rotate my hips during the cast.) My knees are slightly bent. With the lure hanging down about two feet from the rod tip, I keep my elbow in place and slightly rotate my hips and shoulders and move the rod tip straight back. I **** my wrist and stop the rod at about three-thirty to the horizon. My rod hand is about ear-level and not past my rear shoulder. My forearm points to about one o'clock.
Holding the rod in this position will make it easier for us to make our cast without lowering the rod tip from the target line and to move our right arm in-sync with our body rotation. More about that later.
Finally, I shift my weight to my back foot.
THE CAST


Leading with my elbow, I begin slowly, making sure I move my right arm in-sync with my weight shift and body rotation.
I do this for two reasons:
1. If my arm moves faster than my body I will, in effect, become an arm-caster and lose power. Ever wonder why a major-league pitcher looks as if he's throwing so effortlessly? 2. If my arm gets in front of my body I will prematurely lower the rod tip and therefore unload the rod.

Back to my cast. Pushing up with my right hand, and pulling down with my left, I accelerate the rod and move the butt perpendicular to the target line When my right arm is about three-quarters extended, I reach maximum speed by breaking both wrists halfway. Abruptly, I stop the rod at about eleven o'clock and release the line. All my weight is on the ball and toes of my front foot. My front leg is straight.

THAT EXTRA DISTANCE


So, we practiced these techniques and we're casting farther than ever, but wouldn't you know it: we're back on the beach and the fish are ten feet beyond our reach.
What's a surfcaster to do?

We'll again borrow techniques from fly casters, and lengthen our casting stroke similar to the way spey (rhymes with say) casters lengthen theirs.
To do this I start out with a different stance. I hold the rod across my body, my right arm is about three-quarters extended, my right hand about shoulder level. The rod tip points forward, about forty-five degrees to the right of the target line and about thirty degrees above the horizon. My weight is on my front foot. I begin the cast keeping my right elbow pointing down, shifting my weight back, and moving the rod tip up and back in a oval circle until I'm back in my slingshot stance. Without stopping, I make my slingshot cast.
SETTING THE HOOK


Since you're lure is now really out there, you'll need a longer, more powerful hook set. Therefore, as I retrieve the lure I hold the rod across my body. To fight fatigue, I balance the rod in my right hand. The rod butt is under my left armpit. My weight is on my left foot. My right foot is back. When I feel a strike I point the rod towards the lure, quickly take up slack, then rip the rod tip up and back as far as I can.
IN CLOSING

So now if you don't catch a fish what will you tell your wife? Luckily, we anglers are blessed with a treasure of excuses!

http://saltfishing.about.com/cs/surffishing/a/aa040110a.htm

albiealert
03-22-2009, 01:04 PM
Casting instructions by Roger Mortimore

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plugaholic
06-05-2009, 05:06 PM
I think it depends on the person as to how far a cast is made. Lots of guys are asking me how far my St. Croix rod casts? Do you think it is the rod or the person that defines the distance of a cast?

Monty
06-05-2009, 08:09 PM
I think it has to do with technique mostly. So that would be the person. Rods do play a big part of it, but someone with good casting skills is more likely to have a good rod. I just reviewed the breakaway omega rod on this site and I can definitly cast further with it. Maybe added 10 - 15 yards to my longest cast.
I believe distance is extremely important. Even to the point that when there is a high east wind, a cast of 40 yards is a long cast. And that could be very rewarding. Gotta be able to punch it through.

Rip-Plugger
06-05-2009, 09:53 PM
distance is directly related to the rod and reel itself.
number of guides,guide placement and guide size matter too.
for instance,take a shimano stella 4000? mated to a Ron Arra surf pro,11 foot.
the rod has it's first guide far from the reel.
the guides are spaced kinda far apart along with being a larger size.the reels spool is not bigger than the first guide.
that all makes for a long casting rig because of way less friction with less guides,line wave pattern is nearly straight and the long length allows for more power to be applied including the rods power rating,,gives you more distance.
I looked long and hard at my friend bicycle Georges rig.it is what I described here.
built for distance and high performance.

look at an ugly stick,small guides=friction positive,first guide is close to the reel=line slap,drag on the guides,5 or 6 guides even more friction.
if torn down and rebuilt correctly,you can make an ugly stik perform like a champ.
that is another reason I switched to winch reels,no spin,no line slap and more capacity along with greater control.

give such a rod to a guy like me and I'll sling a 2 oz pyramid sinker to long island.

just MHO.

R-P

vpass
06-05-2009, 09:56 PM
I agree with Monty. a good rod helps, but it the technique that counts. Power Pro helps alot too.

Frankiesurf
06-06-2009, 02:04 PM
R-P

I have heard some guys say that too big of a stripper guide is not good either. If a bigger guide equals less line slap and friction then wouldn't an even larger guide be better?

Rods do make a huge difference as well as the reel you are using. I think the biggest determining factor is technique. I am consciously trying to improve my technique. Making sure I extend right, load the rod correctly, etc.

I know a guy who is a phenomenal caster. All because of his technique. Last year at M a blitz had popped up seemingly out of range amongst the throngs of people who seemed to pop up out of the rocks. Fifteen guys casting at it, this guy goes and finds a spot. Makes a loooong cast and lands a keeper. Second cast same thing. He was using nothing out of the ordinary, Penn reel and a 10' Lami and out casted every guy out there. One other guy caught a fish, everyone else just fell short.

Just watching some guys cast is like watching art in motion. Stepping back and paying attention goes a long way sometimes.

7deadlyplugs
06-08-2009, 09:53 AM
I know a guy who is a phenomenal caster. All because of his technique. Last year at M a blitz had popped up seemingly out of range amongst the throngs of people who seemed to pop up out of the rocks. Fifteen guys casting at it, this guy goes and finds a spot. Makes a loooong cast and lands a keeper. Second cast same thing. He was using nothing out of the ordinary, Penn reel and a 10' Lami and out casted every guy out there. One other guy caught a fish, everyone else just fell short.

Just watching some guys cast is like watching art in motion. Stepping back and paying attention goes a long way sometimes.


I am still on the learning curve of casting also. I can make a decent one, but you're right, Frankiesurf. Sometimes there will be a guy who outcasts everyone else and he gets the fish. Watch and learn, good advice.:learn:

basshunter
11-15-2009, 10:18 PM
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VSdreams
11-16-2009, 06:52 PM
Thanks for posting. I think I picked up a few pointers.