Access: Raritan Bay, Is it worth fighting for?

[DarkSkies]

So we now have significant usable pieces of the Raritan Bay shut down or on the way to having access restricted.

1. Laurence Harbor: We have the Laurence Harbor area, from Sayreville to Cliffwood, which is being partially fenced in now, and the rest of that area which may be fenced by the time they decide how much lead is there, and have committee meeting after committee meeting deciding how many more studies they should run. :kooky: Look for more of that area to be shut down in the future.

2. Cliffwood Beach:There is part of Aberdeen's Cliffwood area recently shut down because of the littering, pizzing in public, and all the other disrespect some careless fishermen have heaped upon the residents there.

3. Union Beach: There is the famous section of Union Beach, called Pebble Beach, where generations of fishermen have been fishing, but for some reason the new generations think it's ok to treat the place like a trash dump, burning tires, plastic, paper, and having a complete disregard for the future enjoyment of others.


4. Atlantic Highlands: There is the rock jetty at the harbor inlet that was shut down a few years ago. Guys used to fish that place all the time. Someone fell, got hurt, and sued the marina, so now it's fenced off. Security guard told me you set foot on there, they will call the police and have you arrested. :eek:

5. Belford: The Belford Co-op, which owns the concrete docks there, was nice enough to let people fish that broken concrete for years. someone fell, sued them, and now it's off-limits. Of course, people migrated to the jetties and another area over there. The last 2 summers have been horrendous. It was like a circus down there. People brought their tents, dogs, kids, and overnight bags. I got nothin against bringing kids to the beach, but man you can't camp overnight there!!! :kooky:

It's only a matter of time before those homeowners get together with the police chief and ask him to enforce littering or other violations, or look for some obscure violations to harass people so they won't treat that place like a campground at Woodstock. :plastered:

I haven't been to Pebble Beach for years because of the crowding. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say with the other closures, more fishermen will be driven to these other places, and a popular place like Pebble Beach will be closed or have severe parkiing restrictions in place by the middle of this year, or by the spring of next year.

Fishermen just don't get it. Joe used to say that Access, once lost, is rarely if ever regained. Maybe people don't understand that concept because they're not used to losing access in NJ.

[gjb1969]

hell yes we use it so if we dont fight for it who will for to long the bay was a cess pool now its a whole lot better so if we get shut out now it may stay that way and we would not want that so we all nee to do our part:lynchmob:

[DarkSkies]

For those who don't read the NY forums, for the past year I have involved myself with other fishermen groups, fighting for access in Brookhaven, LI.

Brookhaven thread
http://stripersandanglers.com/Forum/...read.php?t=990 (http://stripersandanglers.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=990)

The short version:
http://stripersandanglers.com/Forum/...ead.php?t=3415 (http://stripersandanglers.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=3415)



Why should I, or you, give a rat's azz about some snobby beach in LI? Who among us will ever fish there?
I know I'll never fish there, and I honestly didn't care about that frikkin place until I realized something....
If they can close access to fishermen in LI, they can (and will) do it in NJ!!! Remember St Alphonso's and Pullman Ave in Long Branch last year, closed because of the insane behavior of fishermen.


So that's why I got involved, and keep getting involved in Brookhaven, Laurence Harbor, Long Branch and the ocean areas, etc. I wasn't satisfied enough with ranting about it on the internet. I saw that when fishermen organize with other groups, we can present a force that people will have to deal with.

There's other groups out there doing the same thing, NJ Outdoor Alliance. Anthony Mauro, a member here, is a tireless spokesman for the outdoorsman. Then there's fishermens groups like the RFA, SSFFF for fluke, and many others.:clapping::thumbsup:



Well, I'm kinda busy with the job, wife, kids, fishin, etc, can't I just contribute money and let someone else take care of it?
Doesn't work that way because this issue is about us, as fishermen, and the trash we leave behind, and the disresppecting of the property of people who live there.


Well, what can I do about that, Dark? I don't litter, I don't disrespect property. It''s the other guys out there!!:burn:
I completely agree, the people who love fishin are not the problem.

But ranting about it on the internet doesn't solve things either. I wonder if a few of us would decide to be more vocal, WITHOUT causing a fight or putting yourself at risk, if it would eventually make a difference?


Someone on another site suggested signs in Spanish and English to tell people littering ain't cool. A good idea, but how effective will that be?

People do things because they feel they can get away with it. How about when you see someone littering, speak up, right then and there? If you don't feel comfortable, call the police with descriptive info and vehicle license number.


There are many partying late at night, you'll never reach those people, they'll continue to litter until the fines are $1000 and enforced.

But for the other people who we see littering, and can't be bothered, and then come to rant about it on the internet? What good does that do?

So what's the point of my long-winded rant here?
Well, like many of you, I felt powerless to do anything about this. I rationalized and said I can't do anything about the selfish actions of others. That may be true to some extent.

But I can speak my mind, and organize with others who feel the same way. I'm asking anyone who reads this if they ever felt the same way. If "yes", then why not take a more active role in what's happening out there? http://stripersandanglers.com/Forum/images/icons/icon3.gif


I know some of this may seem corny or pointless, but originally I thought getting involved in Brookhaven was pointless. They recently had an election there, and the BS candidate that was partly responsible for the beach closure was not elected to the position he wanted. :clapping::clapping:


I apologize for the long-winded rant, but I'm tired of these places getting restriced because of the poor behavior of a select few.

So we do have power to change things, people, even if we do by picking up one piece of trash at a time. :clapping:

I would appreciate any ideas others have. I know there are better ones out there than the ones I put out in this thread. Let's hear 'em. :thumbsup: I can tell you now that with my involvement in these things, I feel like Im making a difference, though it's sometimes frustrating (and I miss a lotta fishin time because of it).


Somebody's gotta do it. If you leave it up to "somebody" else, it won't get done.



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[fishincrazy]

HEY Sides glad to see this!!!!! We have had enough and are fighting back!!!We're starting at Cliffwood beach!!! I'm organizing an across the board clean up effort,and recruiting guy's and gals from our fishing community.I have posted this on other sites and have approched 2 different local fishing clubs.We have a member of On The Water magizine involved!!! We are still in need of help!!!!!!For anyone who fishes this area or wants to be a stewart of the beaches,walls,or bridges we haunt in search of our catch of a lifetime.Please get involved!!!!!!!I haven't scheduled the first clean upi as of yet I'm still drumming up intrest!!!!!!If you can spend even an hour,the help will not go unnoticed!!!! We need to show the public at large we are not animals!!!!! We could loose all rights here if we don't do something now!!!!!!!!!!:don't know why:


POST UP NOW!!!!!!

[voyager35]

:clapping::clapping::clapping: I agree with everything you said here, Dark. We are the enemy, and we should speak up more when we see people abusing a place. I didn't realize all the involvement you had in Long Island as well. You must put a lot of driving miles on your vehicle, hope you got a hybrid. Nice effort, thank you for all you do.:thumbsup:

[captnemo]

Great work, DS. I'm not much of a surf guy, but your efforts have not gone unnoticed. Keep up the good fight. I'll tell you something about being discouraged, 15 years ago I started a business with no customers and no prospects. My father iin law constantly told me it wouldn't work. He's dead now, but the business gave me a comfortable living. I don't know how old you are, but if many of the younger kids today had the drive and determination you do, there might be less problems in the world. Don't give up, and thanks. :clapping:

[bababooey]

Rich, as much as I try to harass you, you're doing a good thing here. Keep up the good work, and thank you. :thumbsup:

[DarkSkies]

Thanks guys, I just got tired of seeing people rant about it on the internet and feeling there was nothing that can be done. There is strength in numbers, and I have seen enough results to keep me fighting for our rights.

[fishincrazy]

As of now we have 12 guy's who said yes to helpin!!!!! I'm thinkin Saturday 4/18 to hit it!!!! Post up and let me know if the date is good for you and if there's anyone elese you think could come and help!!!!!! I don't have a start time yet I prefer morning!!!!

Hey Hey readin these post's brings a tear to my eye!!! Can any of you guy's lend a hand to this effort???????We have to start somewhere and with 12 guy's already sayin yes I'm ready to go!! Clifwood is just the beginning!!!!

POST UP BOY'S AND GIRLS!!!!!!!! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:


:DFC:thumbsup:

[7deadlyplugs]

darkskies, you did a great job at Brookhaven, I hope you can do the same thing here. Great work! :clapping::clapping::clapping:

[dogfish]

I say let em close it down, invite me down, and we'll yak all those spots by water. Are any of them radioactive yet?:D Just joking, Dark, keep up the good work.:clapping:

[cowherder]

Hey if you guys schedule some kind of cleanup, I'm in! :fishing:

[fishincrazy]

Hey if you guys schedule some kind of cleanup, I'm in! :fishing:
Hey Cowherder As of right now we're shootin for 4/18.
FC

[basshunter]

My friend was down around the Cliffwood area last night. He said that one park area by the rock wall was closed, but the other areas nearby, the pump station, and the leaf area, had people fishing. Maybe things have mellowed out a bit? Are they still giving tickets out?

[LennyD]

I agree, we gotta do something about this. Whats bothers me is we'll do all the work for us, but those guys whos making the mess will still fish there without moving their fingers.Not fair.

[DarkSkies]

Hey Lenny, that's why I'm kinda trying to ecourage guys to speak up when they're out there, say something to the people exactly when it happens. I'm not trying to start riots, or get people fighting with people. I don't want to see anyone put in a position where they're in jeopardy.

Last season, we're fishin down there, and a bunch of rowdy fishin dudes let it out that one of them just got released from lockup. My girlfriend was a little nervous and wanted to go. Instead, I blended in, I can blend in anywhere, but these guys could have been dangerous, you never know when a conversation will turn from good to bad.

I think the cleanup will be a start, but truthfully I don't think it will change anything. Cleanups are good for PR for the fishermen and to let the neighbors see there are some good guys out there. You get some good vibes out of it, and it's over.

Meanwhile, the littering still continues, like you said, Lenny, And it sux to have to pick after selfish people all the time. We did that for years when we used to sneak into Split Rock reservoir before they opened it, took bags of trash out every time so the Rangers would maybe write a few less tickets, or give us some leniency if they caught us there.

So you don't always get to see people littering, you can't stop it all. My point was, that IF we see someone littering or not bringing their trash out, we should speak up, as long as we're not endangering ourselves.



One cleanup, or 2, or 3, it won't really make a difference in the long run.

One person on the beach telling others not to litter, that won't make much of a difference either.




What I'm trying to promote among all fishermen is a general attitude that this kinda stuff ain't cool, and that if we ALL speak up about it, there could be some change in the long run.

I can't make people want to speak up, I can only suggest. I've learned over the years that many people would rather "leave it to the other guy".

I just try to do my part, I don't count on that "other guy", because it's MY access thats being threatened.

Maybe, by example, others will start speaking up too. Just maybe. ;)

[DarkSkies]

Sometimes I look at my posts after I'm done, and wonder if I could have said it better. What I've been trying to get across here isn't an original idea. I didn't come up with it, I'm just trying to get other people to consider it. It's something I've been doing for awhile now, trying to shame people into taking their garbage with them.

There are other people doing the same thing. Last week I met a guy who stands near the path when litterers are leaving. He tells (not asks) them not to leave without their trash if he sees them littering. He stands his ground, and people listen. :clapping:

That might not work in every case, or be the wisest choice in all situations, but we gotta start somewhere. I think the shame that used to be attached to doing something wrong, or inconveniencing someone, has evaporated from a large segment of our society.

If people have no problem dumping their kids dirty diapers in the Wal-mart parking lot, how can we expect them to pick up a clam bag or worm box at the beach?

The answer, at least in my mind, is we need to bring back a sense of public shame for actions that affect others. It would be delusional to think we could affect everybody. There will still be slobs, and we will pick up after them if we want to keep a place respectable for all fishermen to use.

But if a beach is filled with guys, one group litters, and you have 9 or 10 people telling them to pick it up, or not come back, I think people would get the message quick. Multiply that by the 10 or 15 popular spots in an area, and I think you would see a difference.

Maybe it's crazy, maybe you think it'll never happen, but it ain't gettin any better all the years I've been seeing it. We gotta start somewhere. http://stripersandanglers.com/Forum/images/icons/icon3.gif

[cowherder]

One cleanup, or 2, or 3, it won't really make a difference in the long run.

One person on the beach telling others not to litter, that won't make much of a difference either.




What I'm trying to promote among all fishermen is a general attitude that this kinda stuff ain't cool, and that if we ALL speak up about it, there could be some change in the long run.

I can't make people want to speak up, I can only suggest. I've learned over the years that many people would rather "leave it to the other guy".

I just try to do my part, I don't count on that "other guy", because it's MY access thats being threatened.

Maybe, by example, others will start speaking up too. Just maybe. ;)

Very well said, dark. We leave it up to the other guy there will be no spots left to fish.:thumbsup:

[fishincrazy]

If your up for helpin we're on Saturday 4/18 starting at 8:00am.I'm missin my boy's soccer for this so I gotta know people are in!!!!
FC

[DarkSkies]

Let's all plan for Saturday 4/18, 8:00 AM. Details will be posted here, we'll be meeting somewhere at Cliffwood, probably the main parking lot. If you can spare the time let's try to make this happen, guys. :thumbsup:

[wish4fish]

dark you try to hard, why can't we just throw them in the water, lol:ROFLMAO:

[captnemo]

I can't make that date, but appreciate all you do out there and on this site, Dark. :clapping:

[fishincrazy]

We will be meeting at the main parking lot by whale creek in cliffwood @ 9:00am on Saturday 4/25.
Please e-mail me for my cell#.I look forward to meeting you!! Especially you Rich!!!!!!!!



FC

[DarkSkies]

We will be meeting at the main parking lot by whale creek in cliffwood @ 9:00am on Saturday 4/25.



FC

Just want to make sure anyone who's interested sees the change of date here. Apparently they decided to coordinate the cleanup with the Cliffwood or Aberdeen Town Manager, and bring some other people in. Looks like this will be a good chance for all fishermen out there to show some of the administrators and townspeople what we're made of, and that not all of us are disrespectful idiots.

Nice job on the coordinating to FC! :clapping: I know he was in touch with a lot of people and it was difficult to get people to participate. We still gotta do some fishin, FC. :thumbsup:

That's the nature of political and activist involvement, man. Tell 1000 people, and MAYBE you'll get 50-100. That's OK, we can teach people one person at a time, one day at a time.

No signup necessary for this. If ya find yourself with nothing to do next Saturday 4/25 somewhere around 8am, ;)why not take the drive down to Cliffwood and lend a helping hand? (That is IF you feel Raritan bay is worth fighting for :D)

Added bonus: I talked with a contact at On the Water magazine. They will be giving a hand as well, and giving out copies of the NJ edition.

Thanks for reading, people! :HappyWave:

Some directions:
http://maps.google.com/maps?li=d&hl=en&f=d&iwstate1=dir:to&daddr=Whale+Creek+parking%4040.451261,+-74.222205&geocode=CS8IZEGqwPAMFb08aQIdg3WT-w&iwloc=1&dq=whale+creek+parking+lot,+Cliffwood+beach,+NJ&cid=40451261,-74222205,4613178716067826859&ei=wNPrSY3tIIX-M8fchLoB


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The parking lot is "point A" in the map above! When you click on the "Directions" link above, the parking lot will become point "B" and your starting point will be part "A".


The Whale Creek parking lot can be most easily reached by turning onto Furman or Raritan Blvd when travelling southbound on Route 35. You can also reach it by making the turn onto Cliffwood Ave, but this is a more winding route.

Print this map out and take it with you. The streets down there are winding and curvy. If you get lost find your way to the water. The 7-11 is a good landmark on Rt 35. If you come to the rock walls of Cliffwood you have gone too far, as the Whale Creek parking lot is to the left of those walls as you are facing the water. Hope this helps!

[clamchucker]

The important thing is working on the perceptions of people who see us daily. You are right, you cannot change the behavior of everyone. Any cleanup is a good cleanup, nice work guys.

[gjb1969]

i will try to make it down if i can get a ride there :ROFLMAO:

[DarkSkies]

^Just to let you guys know that the cleanup is tomorrow at the Whale Creek lot at 9am. Try to bring some trash bags with you if you're coming. The town will be working with us also, but it never hurts to bring some extra bags in case they're needed.

You don't have to be a member of any site or club to come down and give a hand. I posted the map and directions above. Anyone needs a ride, let me know.

[DarkSkies]

Update: Some guys from some other places have been pm'ing and sending me e-mails asking if this is still on. It is as far as I know.

There's lots of guys showing up, from a bunch of different places. Don't be shy, come on down! I plan on being there tomorrow after fishin, so I might be a little burnt. Look for the chunky taxi driver guy with a shaved head. :kooky::laugh: See ya's there. :HappyWave:

[storminsteve]

Originally by darkskies--
"Somebody's gotta do it. If you leave it up to "somebody" else, it won't get done."



http://stripersandanglers.com/Forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=6355&d=1239283325





Bump for a timely thread. Now that the spring bass season is getting underway, let's all try to keep the places we fish clean. And if you see any idiots littering, for God's sake say something!:argue:

[rip316]

I sometimes take a trash bag with me and pick up garbage when I do the bait and wait thing. I look for discarded line too. Have unwrapped plenty of seagulls in my day. I make sure I teach my kids not litter and show them the ill effects of it. I have caught them preaching these practices to their friends. I had a guy clap when he saw me picking up trash once and vowed he would do the same. Just my part to help some.

[buckethead]

Bringing a bag to carry out trash takes no effort at all. Especially this time of year when most of us are bait fishing. While waiting for the fish to strike go around and pick up some trash.

[madcaster]

I’ll be there to help clean ……there was a lot of trash deposited there after the last storms. A lot of the dunes are gone. I hope the town ship will one day put some money into the area.

[DarkSkies]

Hey Madcaster, what's up! Been fishin lately? :HappyWave:

Just to be clear, this thread was started last year, that's when the clean-up was. I think Steve bumped it up to talk about the trash and problems that happen when too many people bunch up in an area, which is a good topic any time of the year. :thumbsup:

[gjb1969]

well if we cant fish rb we weill fish with the sj guys and u know that will be a hot mess:ROFLMAO