Kayak trips & fishing reports 2009

[DarkSkies]

I sent up this thread because sometimes I write too many details and didn't want to burden the regular fishermen with reading through them. This is more of an online journal for me and the trips I'll be making, so I can go back next year and see when, where, and how I was catching fish. http://stripersandanglers.com/Forum/images/icons/icon3.gif

For any other kayakers out there, feel free to jump in here and post your detailed reports and stories if ya feel like it.

If it's just a quick fishin report from the yak, you can post in the regular regional fishing reports forum. Post wherever ya want, all welcome here. :HappyWave:

[DarkSkies]

(There were no fish caught this day except the bunker I livelined) :D

It was raining when I set out, and cleared up gradually. I knew it would rain all day, and wanted to be prepared for the worst, as I was fishin some channels and open water. It took forever for me to get on the water, I started at 5am getting all the things ready.

There's a checklist you should have, or at least in your mind, every time you start out. Safety gear is high priority. I had a brightly colored PFD, all my gear leashed or tethered to the yak, and a plan of where I would swim to if somehow I got separated form the yak.

I also had a couple of new things I bought, an anchor and rope which I bridled to the side of the yak. This came in handy when I later got snagged when trolling deep. I was able to bring the yak past the snag point and retrieve the lure by anchoring and gradually moving to where the snag was.

I didn't have an official yak light or whistle:beatin: only a high powered flashlight and headlamps (2), so that's probably why I procrastinated the launch till after dawn.

It was windy for the launch still a S/SE, but mostly S, wind blowing rollers about a 1 1/2 foot high. It's not the height of the waves, it's the duration, and here they were coming quick. It wasn't that bad, though, as the wind died down. It rained on and off all day, which was perfect.

I started out talking to some shore fishermen, who didn't catch anything all night, bad omen for the day's beginning, but I was there to learn first, and catch fish second.

I paddled out to where the boats were, I thought they might know something about that area I didn't. :D They were fishin clams, and jigging. I didn't see one boat catch or even hook up. Around 8, a new group of boats came as the first ones left, they didn't hook up either.

I couldn't understand what was so significant about where they were fishing.

How was it different from any other area?
It seemed they were fishing mud flats like they do in Raritan Bay. When I later kayaked over to these mud flats, I saw that they were extremely rich in every kind of marine life that bass love to eat, mussels, crabs, worms, small snails, a virtual bass smorgasbord! :heart:

How come no fish?
Maybe the water was colder from the SE, and there was a lot of traffic as well.

Bunker!!
The bunker were there, but they were scattered. I brought no bait with me, was going to live or die on the artificials and snagging fresh bunker. I did have a snag hook and some heavy duty conventional setups for nicer bass.

After about 15 minutes, bunker magically began to feed around me. They would surface and sound, surface and sound. Most people would think they went away. Because of the deeper water I figured they were just holding there. It was tough to snag at first, about 15 minutes to get the first. I felt it was too big, but immediately livelined it anyway. Not even a runoff in the early morning.

Then I snagged another one, did the same thing, no results. As I brought them in after 10 minutes sitting out there, I could see they were huge, 12-14". I wasn't able to snag anything smaller.

Ths thing about bunker feeding in open water is you know in your heart there are bound to be some bass and blues under them, it's logical to assume that, at least in the night. This was daylight, so the bass were more wary.

Not one person caught a bass or bluefish there all morning, how could I know there were bass underneath?

Because every half hour or so, the bunker schools would get frenzied and a few would jump out of the water up to 1'. The big bass were plowing through and casually picking them off. It wasn't enough to attract anyone's attention as it was sporadic. You really had to pay attention to the surroundings to notice. Things happened quickly, the bunker would disappear, and intermittently appear again.

This drove my crazy. When I would give up and throw a shad to jig on the bottom, they would appear again.

It's different on a kayak than on the shore. You have better mobility to reach the bunker, but you might need to be more flexible. I went back to my days of largemouth bass fishin from a boat when i remembered about back flipping a cast to reach a spot. I normally cast from my right side. With the bunker popping up in different places, I re-learned all the casting moves, casting behind you, over your opposite shoulder, backwards, whatever it took to reash the sporadically feeding bunker.

As the day wore on, it was still overcast. I knew my chances of getting a fish were slim without snagging and dropping a bunker. I was only able to do this 3 times because the schools were so mobile.

It was a lot of fun recognizing the bunker from a yak. On the land, we look for swirls. On the yak, I was looking for their backs out of the water as they cruised along in the filter feeding mode.

I learned that even though they move around a lot, they like certain spots. I already had some of this knowledge, but being in a yak puts it in a different perspective. I know I'll be able to find them when I go back at night now.

I had a great time on my adventure. No fish, but I did meet some cool people. No other yakkers out there where I was. I did see some baby fluke on the bottom, about 8", as I was paddling in.

People talk about the pollution in that bay. There was a lot of trash along the sides in places, but the water was very clear. I could see almost 5' to the bottom in some shallower places. The scenery and experience were incredible.

I found a new addiction! :drool:

I can see the best time to fish is on nights and weekdays.

It's a big bay, but the boat and yak fishers tent to congregate in a few choice areas. I'm not comfortable with crowded conditions on the yak, so I'll have to plan the next trip in the dark. :thumbsup:


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[storminsteve]

That pic with the ship means you had to be in a deep channel, out very far? In the shipping lanes? :scared: Great story and pics Dark! Now I have to get one so maybe I can meet up with you out on the water.:thumbsup:

[LennyD]

Nice Report Rich!
Can't wait to go when i get back!

Tight lines!!!

LennyD

[WURK2FISH]

Awesome "Report" Darkskies!!!

Here's mine for this AM:



Sunday AM Report Beautiful morning out...no rain and overcast...High Tide 4:10 AM.....wind 3-5 mph outta E, NE....like a lakehttp://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/images/smilies/drool.gif Waiting on CopyCat to get therehttp://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/images/smilies/graemlins/cwm33.gif Fish busting here and there on bait.....no takers with a Topwater popper....but the Hot-Pink Gulp and a 3/8 oz lead-head put (6) fish on the line....kept the only Legal at a whopping 28-1/2 in. and threw in an added bonus of a nice perch. Stripers where averaging 16-18 in. with (1) at 20 in. and the keeper.

Fish started hitting just as the tide started moving out.......over within' an hour with the sun coming up.....and alittle bit of wind pick-up....but an occasional small hit here and there.

Great fun....and glad to have gottin' my first keeper of the year!!!http://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

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[cowherder]

Wow great reports guys! The pics really make me wish I was there.:fishing:

[RocksandReds]

Awesome "Report" Darkskies!!!

Here's mine for this AM:



Sunday AM Report Beautiful morning out...no rain and overcast...High Tide 4:10 AM.....wind 3-5 mph outta E, NE....like a lakehttp://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/images/smilies/drool.gif Waiting on CopyCat to get therehttp://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/images/smilies/graemlins/cwm33.gif Fish busting here and there on bait.....no takers with a Topwater popper....but the Hot-Pink Gulp and a 3/8 oz lead-head put (6) fish on the line....kept the only Legal at a whopping 28-1/2 in. and threw in an added bonus of a nice perch. Stripers where averaging 16-18 in. with (1) at 20 in. and the keeper.

Fish started hitting just as the tide started moving out.......over within' an hour with the sun coming up.....and alittle bit of wind pick-up....but an occasional small hit here and there.

Great fun....and glad to have gottin' my first keeper of the year!!!http://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

http://i509.photobucket.com/albums/s340/Wurk2fish/Beazley%20Point/DSC00461.jpg
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Looks like a great day out there Mike!! Thanks for the report.

Congats!!

[WURK2FISH]

Thanks Cowherder....and R&R's!!!

When ya getting out there Yakin' R&R???:naughty:

[RocksandReds]

Thanks Cowherder....and R&R's!!!

When ya getting out there Yakin' R&R???:naughty:

Plnning on doing some in June as soon as the surf run slows a little:D:D I'm still hopeing for another big black drum..

[RocksandReds]

W2F where did you get your kayak light from? I like that set up!!

[strikezone31]

wurk2fish - congrat's on your first season keeper. Your kayak setup is awesome.

[surfwalker]

Dark, w2f- Thanks for the reports/pics. They are looked forward to by me, having never tried this type of fishing. Please keep them coming. Looks like fun.

[WURK2FISH]

W2F where did you get your kayak light from? I like that set up!!

Kayak fishing Stuff:thumbsup:

[WURK2FISH]

wurk2fish - congrat's on your first season keeper. Your kayak setup is awesome.

Thanks StrikeZone!!! Looking forward to this weekend:dribble:

[WURK2FISH]

Dark, w2f- Thanks for the reports/pics. They are looked forward to by me, having never tried this type of fishing. Please keep them coming. Looks like fun.

Your welcome....hopefully another good report from this coming weekend!!!:naughty:

[crosseyedbass]

The detail you guys described these trips makes me feel as if I was on the kayak myself.

[DarkSkies]

I'm gonna try this format for this kayak section to make it easier to review as part of my logbook. You other guys can throw it down however ya want, this is something I thought would make it easier for me, that's all.


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Date Fished:
Time fished:
Tide Stage:
Weather:
Surf Conditions:
General Location:
Fishing Method:
Type of lure/fly:
Water Temp:
fish caught/size:
Report:











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Date Fished: 5/4/09
Time fished: 12-6am
Tide Stage: Outgoing and incoming
Weather: Rainy, Windy
Surf Conditions: 1- 1 1/2 feet swells, low duration
Fishing by: Kayak
General Location: Jamaica Bay
Fishing Method: Live bunker, clams, and topwater poppers
Type of lure/fly: poppers and Ace Bait bunker profile swimmer
Water Temp: maybe mid 50's
fish caught: 5 bluefish
size: 2-8#
Report:

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Jamaica bay last night 12-6am. , I was the only idiot out there in the rain and the wind in that area. I anchored in a piece of open water, but was worried the waves and wind would capsize the kayak.

Stayed at an area of structure for 1 1/2 hours, fishing bunker and clams, nothing, then back to channels where I got 5 bluefish on bunker chunks.

The most pods of bunker were in a harbor. They were there all night with fish on them. However, I feel the fish that were harassing them were bluefish. Last week I saw bunker jump a foot or 2 out of the water when there were no bluefish around, so I'm assuming bigger bass last week.

Last night, the profilles of the predators running through the schools seemed smaller, so that's why I'm assuming only bluefish. You can never tell if there is at least one big bass underneath them though. :fishing:

I paddled out to some structure, and there were no bunker there at first. They came after an hour, around 330am, before high tide, but they were scattered. The wind and waves made it tough to snag them, so I went back into the harbor. The bunker were concentrated in the main channel.

However, snagging and dropping there did nothing except get the bunker chopped up by bluefish. So I chunked with one rod, and fished plugs with another. Nothing on the plugs, 5 bluefish on the chunk.

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[Tommy]

Hi Rich, nice write up. Nice kayak , and like your set up. Hopefully one of these days I ll get one.So I can learn from the best.Keep up the good work.:HappyWave:

[DarkSkies]

Tommy, appreciate the kind words, but I'm just a goog with a white bucket and a paddle. The only thing I'm "best" at is screwing up! And I do actually catch a nice fish, once in a while.:laugh:;) :HappyWave:

If I know you, after looking at these pics for a week, you'll decide it's time for a kayak, and will have one by the end of May. Waiting for you to tell me ya couldn't take it anymore and went out and got one.

[WURK2FISH]

Great "Report" Rich.......you're a Brave Man out there in that mess!!! Keep the "Reports" comin':naughty:

[RocksandReds]

Great report Rich!! I'm getting the itch even more.:drool:

[DarkSkies]

*Ill write the report later, more detail.

Jbay today, 9am - 4pm. Wanted to avoid the boat traffic where everyone was fishing the usual hyped up area. Set out at a different launch, met up with another kayaker about 1 1/2 miles from the launch (lucky for me! :D)

He knew that water, and we fished it together for awhile until he had to leave. He got 2 bass, 6 bluefish using chartreuse shads.

I got one bass 27", and one bluefish, on a pink fin-s.

There was either a grass shrimp hatch or there were small spearing/baitfish in the flats areas. There were also pods of bunker moving through periodically. One pod, in the thousands, was alike a wall of moving water. They moved too fast and I couldn't keep up. So we focused our attention on the sporadically working birds and the small bait.

After he left, I pulled onto a sedgebank to take a leak. I picked that one because it had current moving past it. Before pushing off again, I decided to work the water with an Ace baits medic super spook. From the 2nd cast on, I was into fish for the next 3 hours of the outgoing until slack tide.

Total for that pit stop, one bass around 26", 35-40 bluefish landed 7-13lbs, and at least twice that many strikes that didn't result in hookups. I had a blast fighting those angry fat bluefish, really enjoyed myself! :lookhappy:










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around 12#, bleeding all over, had to kill this one
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[DarkSkies]

5/9 pics


sedges, as the tide went out, I had to wade out farther and farther to get into fish. You can see the kayak actual distance at the top right of the pic, orange blur. By the time of slack tide, I was prob another 100' out further than this.
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Here you can see the kayak sitting up on the sedges, this pic was taken at 5x magnified.
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deeeeeeeeep mud! :kooky:
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[DarkSkies]

5/9 more pics


This is me doin a little quality control of the Ace Baits Medic super spook! Doesn't look bad after an afternoon of 35-40 bluefish 7-13#. I had a blast! Took some video, but may not put it up because there was so much profanity in it. I have to learn how to behave better :laugh: when the camera is runnin.
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Most other plugs would have wood gouged out after catching so many fish! Phil Griffith from Ace baits uses a special hardened epoxy for his plugs. They fish like wood, but hold up like strong plastic. I was very happy with the results.
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one of the larger bluefish, around 12#
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[WURK2FISH]

Can't see 'da pics:huh:

[storminsteve]

So you go out in your kayak, to catch fish from the shore? :huh: Interesting.:laugh: Nice report and pics, Dark, they just keep whetting my appetite to get one. :clapping:

[dogfish]

So you go out in your kayak, to catch fish from the shore? :huh: Interesting.:laugh:

:clapping:What he said, are you a kayaker or a shore fisherman?:rolleyes:

[wish4fish]

dudes great pics and reports, gotta get a kayak soon.:bigeyes: :wheeeee: :fishing:

[DarkSkies]

I started out on the night before, hoping for a break in the weather. Unfortunately, it wasn't to be, and I fished from a shore spot for 2 hours, nothing.

Slept in the van, up at Sat for the adventure. I was surveying the water before I set up, and at 6am a patrol car from Queens PD rolled up. They wanted to know what I was doin there. :huh:

So I asked them: do you fish?
PD: no not really, Wait! one of them does, he says not in Jamaica bay, though. Asks me why a guy from Jersey comes all the way to Queens to fish?
Me: Well, the fishin here is incredible, they have been gettin bass in the 30's and 40's.
PD: OK, but you should be advised this isn't the greatest area.
Me: What do you mean by that?
PD: Well there is a high shooting and crime rate in this neighborhood, but the people who do the shooting do to bed in the daytime, so you should be ok here, for the daytime.
Me: Thank you very much, officer! :kooky: :scared:

So I took their advice and moved a mile away to a better neighborhood. The only thing about the new launch spot is that there is a weird recluse guy who lives at the end of the road with his Russian mail order bride and a new baby.

I didn't know anyone else but him lived there until I was there the 2nd time, he keeps a tight leash on her. When I first went there I saw him at 3am on the water's edge, smoking a cig, I thought he lived in the woods there, but he's just a little eccentric, that's all.


fishin rocks at night
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ufos? ;)
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AM launch
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[DarkSkies]

Fished the whole day Sat 6a-6pm. It was a beautiful morning, all remains from the storms of the last 2 days seemed to be gone, other than some debris on the water.

Set up and launched, targeting a spot I wanted to try on the flood tide. I let the tide carry me, and it wasn't bad. On the way I trolled a white tube n worm, and then a jointed bunker x-rap, not a touch as I paddled past the channels.

Set up on the sedge banks. I know it may seem weird taking a yak to fish from shore, but I feel more comfortable fishing from the land, and feel I have better control if the fish are there. They were not at the first spot, which I chose because it had current passing by it.

first stop
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[DarkSkies]

Sunset pics

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[DarkSkies]

Paddled to the 2nd spot, where there were some flats, and adjacent channels that I could fish on the now ebbing water. I noticed the water was very cold, a lot colder than it was 3 weeks ago, and thought that bait might be needed to coax a bite out of the fish.

Didn't want to set up with bait just yet, the tide was stilll high and I wanted to plug. I noticed hundreds of spearing hiding in the deep cut of a sedge, so I took an underwater video of them. It was cool watching them, and they seemed to be curious of me also. I also found a weathered quarter on those sedges. Even though a place looks desolate, you never know who's been there before.

That location didn't work out, so I paddled to another one nearby, but the opposite side. When neither of these worked I decided to paddle to a different section of the bay. Before I did that, I fished bunker chunks in the channel. Early morning in this channel, there was some tern activity which indicated spearing and possibly bass underneath, but everytime it started up for more than a few seconds, a boat would come by and put the action down.

In all fairness, the boats probably didn't recognize this as fish feeding activity, as it was so subtle. Also, I'm used to heavy boat activity in the RB, Barnegat bay, nd the ocean, so the boat traffic here doesn't seem half as bad.

The last time I was there, there were a nice bunch of fish in exactly these conditions, so by now Im learning what to look for.


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Quicksand :eek:
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[DarkSkies]

On my way to the other area, the wind kicked up from the E, which made paddling difficult. I tried to do it on a diagonal movement, but eventually realized I need to be in better shape. :embarassed:

Some people asked me why I fish Jamaica bay when there are fish right in Jersey, they thought it was because I like to fish alone a lot. I did some thinkin about that. I also need to lose weight, and paddling is tremendous exercise. I must have paddled 4-5 miles that day, and it really kicked my azz.

By the time I reached the flats on the other side, I was losing steam. I had 2 bagels and a water for emergencies, nothing else for energy.

I saw a guy fly fishin in the middle of the bay, near a channel, and it seemed he was only in water up to his knees. It almost looked liie a miracle in my tired state, until I realize he was fishin on a sandbar, and had his kayak up on that bar. I explored a location about a mile away from that, which was non-productive.

I did get to learn about the flats areas, and some cuts and channels I wasn't aware of before, and how the current runs on the incoming and outgoing. :learn:

On the way back, I hit the spot that the guy was in. The tide was coming in, so I knew I would have about an hour before the sandbar disappeared. I beached the kayak and started casting a topwater ace medic spook, the same one that brought me such success 3 weeks ago.

Big sandbar at start of tide
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I managed 3 small blues in the next 1/2 hour, and that was it as the tide started to fill in. They were spitting up spearing. I tried switching to a smaller yozuri with a spearing sized teaser when the bite died, but no takers. :don't know why: All the way to Jamaica Bay, and only 3 bluefish? :kooky:

The answer to that is that I want to learn all the areas this year that I haven't been to before. I know there will be a learning curve, as I figure out which areas produce better on the incoming, which produce better on the outgoing. Lots of lonely, unproductive hours and not catching as I learn these places.

Meanwhile, I get excited by the challenge. Im keyed up when I make a trip like this. Something about unexplored places brings out the excitement and enthusiasm in me. It's hard to explain it to people who haven't been there, but I love that place, fish or no fish.

I ended up drifting through an overpass area with bunker chunks, and a weight to keep it near the bottom. No takers. The wind kicked up again, and made passage back to where I launched difficult.

I stayed on an opposite point for awhile and casted there. The wind was howling in my face, so I brought out osme of Brasilva's poppers for the first time so I could cast out into the channel. No fish on them or anything else, but I was happy with the distance I got out of them. They do cast well, and faaaaaaar. :D

Stay tuned to see if I can catch any fish on them.

I could see that the guys who fish that place in boats like to fish the channels, but most people weren't pulling anything but short fluke and sea robins for that day.

I could also see that they don't like to drift under bridges like we do in NJ. Different techniques for different areas, I guess?

[DarkSkies]

After I got all my gear loaded. I went back to the the area that the Queens PD says was "Bad". The whole neighborhood was partyin at 6:30 on a Sat night, BBQ grills goin, front doors open, beers flowin, and a multicultural collection of fishermen at the spot I had visited the night before where I ran into the crack addicts. No crack addicts this time, just a bunch of locals havin a good time.

The Guyanese and Trinadadian dudes remembered me because I helped a guy with a bad line tangle the night before. They had caught some fish on clams, a slow pick. When the water is cold, I think it's best to sit tight and throw some bait, if ya got the patience. ;)

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2 tone red and purple cadillac w/ stylin wheels, only in Queens! :D
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Funny thing is, I asked them the same questuions about animal sacrifices I asked the dudes at the NCB. It didn't dawn on them what I was saying until I changed the word "sacrifices" to "offerings". Then they admitted they did that, but like the others, nervous about going into detail.

Another lesson about that area - if you play music at all, you MUST share it with your whole neighborhood by playing it at 9 or 10 volume. Otherwise you're not being "neighborly". ;) :laugh:

Ended the day with a beautiful sunset, and some good times with my new friends. ;) :HappyWave:

[lostatsea]

Dark, it sounds like you have quite an adventure. You put up a great post, with incredible detail. Can't wait to read more when you catch a cow.:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[surfwalker]

Dark- very enjoyable post, with pics no less. Felt like I was right there. Thanks.

[CharlieTuna]

I also like these stories here, you guys do a great job of putting them up. As surfwalker said, makes you feel like you were there. :clapping:

[WURK2FISH]

Thanksgiving AM......4:30....in the Fog and Mist. Fished Solo.....wife had to start Cookin'.....I followed Tradition and went Fishin':dribble:

35 In. caught on Glass minnow Imitation w/ 1/4 oz. Jighead under the Lights of the Parkway:naughty:

http://i509.photobucket.com/albums/s340/Wurk2fish/Beazley%20Point/11-26-09004.jpg

[dogfish]

Thanksgiving AM......4:30....in the Fog and Mist. Fished Solo.....wife had to start Cookin'.....I followed Tradition and went Fishin':dribble:

35 In. caught on Glass minnow Imitation w/ 1/4 oz. Jighead under the Lights of the Parkway:naughty:

http://i509.photobucket.com/albums/s340/Wurk2fish/Beazley%20Point/11-26-09004.jpg


Nice bass, wurk2fish!:clapping:

[DarkSkies]

WTG man, nice solid fish! :clapping::clapping: :thumbsup: Hope you and the family had a great Thanksgiving!

[fishinmission78]

Nice fattie dude, what was in the belly?

[WURK2FISH]

WTG man, nice solid fish! :clapping::clapping: :thumbsup: Hope you and the family had a great Thanksgiving!

A GREAT Thanksgiving:thumbsup:

[WURK2FISH]

Nice fattie dude, what was in the belly?

A Herring and Glass Minnows:HappyWave:

[WURK2FISH]

Friday night.....(13) to 26 inches:

The Mrs. gets her share to!!!

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[seamonkey]

:thumbsup: Very cool you both fish together. Thanks for sharing! Taken on jigs or plugs or the glass minnow? do you have a pic what a glass minnow looks like?

[WURK2FISH]

:thumbsup: Very cool you both fish together. Thanks for sharing! Taken on jigs or plugs or the glass minnow? do you have a pic what a glass minnow looks like?

Takin' on the Glass Minnow(Rain Fish) Imitation.......

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[bluesdude71]

Awesome fish pics, thanks for sharing.