View Full Version : Proposed new Rules Drastically Affecting Beach Buggy Acceess at Island Beach
fishinmission78
08-30-2012, 06:28 PM
The president of the NJBBA posted this and is asking for support. If you can, please C&P the letter and send it in too. Thanks. Take a look at some of the rule changes, they really suck.
The State of New Jersey's proposing new rule change and fees to all State Parks including IBSP, Marinas and Golf Courses. The biggest change for us has to do with the definition of what a "Mobile Sport Fishing Vehicle" is. We will need all Beach Buggy Members and those who use NJ's beaches to help us out by responding to the rule changes, either by sending a letter to Alice Previte, address below or send your comments electronically to the link below. We have till September 16, 2012 to get our comments in, but please get them ASAP!
I have attached the states proposed rule changes where we have highlighted all our concerns.
Please if you would like more information on this issue, contact one of the persons below:
NJBBA President Paul Harris firstfishingpox@comcast.net (firstfishingpox@comcast.net)
2nd VP Tim Burden tb2fishon@aol.com (tb2fishon@aol.com)
Corresponding Sec. Reb Gilliland Reb (Reb@RebsRods.com)@RebsRods.com (Reb@RebsRods.com)
Director Paul Novello njstripernut@yahoo.com (paul.novello@ang.af.mil)
R-njbba new state rules changes-2.pdf 139k .pdf file (http://www.stripersonline.com/attachments/6790)
Alice A. Previte, Esq.
Attention: DEP Docket Number 01-12-06
Office of Legal Affairs
Department of Environmental Protection
401 East State Street,4th Floor
Mail Code 401-04L
P.O. Box 402
Trenton, NJ 08625-0402
electronically at www.nj.gov/dep/rules/comments (http://www.nj.gov/dep/rules/comments)
fishinmission78
08-30-2012, 06:32 PM
This is the e-mail address you can send a letter to, or just C&P the letter below. Whatever is easier for you.
Alice A. Previte, Esq.
Attention: DEP Docket Number 01-12-06
Office of Legal Affairs
Department of Environmental Protection
401 East State Street,4th Floor
Mail Code 401-04L
P.O. Box 402
Trenton, NJ 08625-0402
electronically at www.nj.gov/dep/rules/comments (http://www.nj.gov/dep/rules/comments)
This is the snail mail address:
Ms. Alice A Previte, Esq.
Office of Legal Affairs
DEP
Attach please fined a letter and comments on rules for the state parks in ref. to New Jersey register
Copy right 2012 by the New Jersey office of administrative law.
Volume 44, issue 14 issue date July 16th 2012
Rulemaking and rule proposals
State park service code rules (1935a)
Alice A. Previte, Esq
Attention: New Jersey Register Volume 44 issue 14 July 16, 2012
DEP Docket number 01-12-06 New Jersey Beach Buggy Assn.
Office of Legal Affairs P O Box 511
Department of Environmental Protection Seaside Park, NJ 08752
401 East State Street, 4th floor NJBBA.org
Mail Code 401-04L
P.O.Box 402
Trenton, N J 08625-0402
fishinmission78
08-30-2012, 06:33 PM
This is the letter they send. You can just C&P this one and add your name saying you agree, or send your own letter. Whichever is easier. Please help if you can.
Dear Ms. Previte,
The New Jersey Buggy Assn. (NJBBA) has been involved with the state park beaches since about 1953
the Assn. has 1500 families contributing 3,334 volunteer hours to the state parks system in 2011 alone doing beach clean ups, buying dune fence and installing dune fence, help teach the surf fishing clinic at IBSP every Friday in July and Aug. NJBBA are the judges at the Governor surf fishing tournament. Since
the inception. We take special need children fishing 2 time a year. When beach clean ups are done NJBBA uses their own truck to remove trash from the beach. All this is done with no cost to the parks system the mobile sport fisherman not only fish the surf but will do anything to perverse the beaches of the state parks of N J no one ever told these mobile sport fisherman that their vehicles were too big to do the volunteering that they do these are the very people that the state park system would like to eliminate because of the size of their self-contained mobile sport vehicle.
The NJBBA would like to make comments on the new rule at the state parks they are as followed:
Page 5 44 N.J.R 1935 ( A)
Subchapter 1 General Provision
N.J.A.C 7: 2 – 1.7 Definitions
Page 5 Paragraph 2, line 4 Add
Two- axle, Four-wheel Drive Passenger Motor Vehicle with Surf Fishing gear
and required safety equipment onboard
Page 5 Paragraph 2, Line 9 Remove
As amended all – terrain vehicles (ATV)
Recreational Camping vehicles
Page 5 Paragraph 2, Line 12 and 13 Remove
Large Vehicles, such as Recreational Camping Vehicles
Page 5, Paragraph 2, Lines 15 to 18 Remove two sentences
The specifically excluded vehicles are often are uses for overnight
camping which is prohibited on the beach. Moreover, there size can limit visibility beyond a around
them, particularly at night which can endanger members of the public who are also using the beaches
Page 5, Paragraph 2, Line 20 Remove
This includes woods, swamps, Boggs, wetlands or field, or off road
established public roads. Or in designated parking lots
Page 6, Paragraph 1 Line3 Add
There taking up more than one parking spot. Mobile sport fishing vehicle are
excluded .
Page 19, Paragraph 1, Line 1 Remove
Vehicles) ATVs, Recreational camping vehicles (RVs)
Page 19 Paragraph 6 Line 3 Add
And vehicles towing trailers and or other vehicles and excludes MSFV and
SCMSV
Page 80, and 81 Subchapter 16 7:2-16.2 (MSFV) permits / restrictions
Add
(A) Fishing vehicles ( MSFV) Self-contained mobile sport fishing vehicle
(SCMSFV)
NJBBA total agrees with this subchapter 16
Page 94, Subchapter 16 IBSP Rules
Add
4 Wheel drive 2 Axle vehicle that is registered and insured street legal can
qualified for (SMFV) permit
fishinmission78
08-30-2012, 06:35 PM
This is the rest of the letter they sent. A big thanks to Paul Harris and the NJBBA. Where would Island Beach be without them?:clapping::clapping:
cont.
SELF CONTAINED MOBILE SPORT FISHING VEHICLE (SCMSFV)
MOBILE SPORT FISHING VEHICLE: (MSFV)
A SCMSFV MSFV VEHICLE IS A 4 WHEEL DRIVE 2AXLE VEHICLE WITH SURF FISHING AND REQUIRED SAFTY EQUIPMENT ON BOARD.
OVER SIZE VEHICLES: (SCMSFV)
SCMSFVs CAN NOT BE A DANGER TO THE PUBLIC THESE SCMSFVs IF THEY WHERE A DANGER THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE REGISTERED OR DRIVEN ON THE NATIONS HIGHWAY WHERE THEY CAN BE DRIVEN AT HIGHWAY SPEED. ON THE BEACH TH E SPEED LIMIT IS 10 MPH AS FOR DANGER AT NIGHT THE PARK IS CLOSED AT DARK AND THE MSFV AND SCMSFV ARE PARKED WHEN FISHING, WHEN NOT FISHING THERE ARE PARKING LOTS FOR THE SCMSFV TO GO AND WILL NOT CONFLICT ON PARKING SPACE SIZES DUE TO OFF HOURS SCMSFVs AND MSFV USE THE LOTS. THEY SHOULD BE OUT OF THE LOTS BY 0700 THIS IS BEFORE THE PARKS OPENS
OVER SIZE VEHICLES: TIRE SIZE AND TRACK ON THE BEACH
SCMSFV USE STANDARD SIZE TIRES LARGER TIRES CAN NOT BE PUT ON THEM DUE TO THE WAY THEY ARE MADE.DRIVING ON THE BEACH BRAKES UP THE HARD CRUST SAND AND THE RUTS OR TRACTS MADE BY THE SCMSFV TRAP LOSE SAND WHEN A SLIGHT WINDBLOWING IN ANY DIRECTION THUS KEEPING THE SAND FROM BLOWING AWAY AND HELPS TO BULD THE BEACH UP IT DOES NOT MATTER
WHAT SIZE OF MOBILE SPORT VEHICLE MAKE THE TRACTS WE HAVE SEEN SOME DAYS THAT THE TRACT ARE FILLED IN WITHIN 1 HOUR
PROTECT WILDLIFE: SHORE NESTING BIRDS
THERE ARE STUDIES BY STEVEN P. LEATHERMAN AND PAUL J. GODFREY ON INPACT OF OFF ROAD VEHICLES ON COASTAL ECOSYSTEMS THE STUDIES SAY THE THAT MSFV, SCMSFVs DO NOT DISTURB THE SHORE NESTING BIRDS THEY WILL
NOT LEAVE WHEN A VEHICLES PASS, BUT THEY WILL FLY OFF IF A PERSON WALKS UP TO THEM.
THE NJBBA WORKS WITH TODD POVER OF THE DEP DEPARTMENT OF ENDANGERED AND PROTECTED SPECIES EVERY YEAR TO ERECT POSTS, AND FENCE, AND SIGNS TO PROTECT THE SHORE NESTING BIRDS
ECONOMIC INPACT, SMFV PERMITS
BY ELIMINATING A LOT OF THE SCMSFVs, MSFVs THE LOCAL ECOMONY WILL SUFFER MOST OF SCMSFV, MSFV OWNER STOP IN LOCAL STORE AND SHOP BEFORE GOING ON THE STATE PARK BEACHES.THE STATE WILL LOSE REVENUE EVERY SCMSFV, MSFV HAS TO HAVE A PERMIT AT THE COST OF $ 195.00 THIS YEAR THERE HAS BEEN 4,900 SOLD WHICH IS $955,500 TO THE STATE PARKS CAN THE
STATE AFFORD TO LOSE ANY OF THIS REVENUE.
CAMPING ON THE BEACH : SCMSFV ON THE BEACH
CAMPING ON THE BEACH IS PROHIBITED AND NJBBA IS IN TOTAL AGREEMENT TO THAT. IF NOT FISHING BEWEEN 2400 AND 0400 HR. SCMSFV AND MSFV HAVE TO PULL OFF THE BEACH TO A PARKING LOT WHERE SCMSFV AND MSFV ARE ALLOWED TO PARK
Thank You,
Paul Harris - President
Board of Directors and members of NJBBA
storminsteve
08-30-2012, 06:58 PM
FnM I don't fish Island Beach much but I wanted to help. E-mailed them the copy of the NJBBA letter. thanks for making it easy.
hookedonbass
08-30-2012, 07:09 PM
Thanks fishinmission. Done.
DarkSkies
09-05-2012, 09:05 AM
Thank you for putting this in the spotlight, FishinMission. It's easy to C&P that, as you said, or take a few minutes and draft your own response. I did it as well. Thanks again.
I've met Paul Harris and the top guys at NJBBA several times. They are active in anything that affects fishing access, not just for beach buggies. They were at the Fishing Access meetings held this Spring addressing access at LBI and other areas.
Great group, and they do a lot things for charity as well. :thumbsup: :HappyWave:
Please try to help out if you can, folks.
We need the state to understand there are a lot of us out there.
finchaser
09-05-2012, 07:24 PM
done
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