NY ASMFC meeting

[surfstix1963]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=pMoMLUwYqKw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pMoMLUwYqKw)

I think most of us are getting on the same page finally.
as for Mr.Forsberg I don't see the Viking loading up on fish, even on the Block Island trips.

And anyone who thinks this fishery is not in trouble well they have their blinders on or they are just protecting personal interests.
Over fishing hurts everyone from the dinner table to the commercials and economically puts many people out of business.

we did it with the increase of fishermen the stocks got hammered they don't grow that fast....Something needs to be done.
I won't get into my personal views because many will disagree with me and that's ok everyone has opinions. Anything is better then nothing.

[7deadlyplugs]

Wow did anyone catch Forsberg owner of the Viking fleet and what he said?
"Fish have tail they swim. If you are not catching them maybe you need to put bait on your hook!": what an effing A**-clown! Do a seach for Viking pays fines for illegal fish and you will see the real story on him. His boats are prob responsible for 1/10 the bass catches at montauk. I don't think they ever throw anything back. what a sleazebag!:2flip:

[surfstix1963]

Pure arrogance.Montauk itself is not LOADED with striped bass are there bass of course but loaded is a gross understatement.The Viking usually fishes Block Island Sound for bass.This is actually what the law says.

It is legal to "possess" bass in block island sound, including federal waters if within the boundary from Montauk light to SE light BI to Point Judith. You do not need to return to RI shore from montauk then head west to return to the westerly area.

The following is the exceptin from the NOAA site

Atlantic striped bass – EEZ fishery regulations
Recreational and Commercial fisheries -

EEZ closed to all striped bass possession or fishing. Atlantic Striped Bass may not be fished for, harvested, retained, or possessed in or from the EEZ. One exception - within Block Island Sound, possession of Atlantic striped bass is permitted, provided no fishing takes place from the vessel while in this EEZ area and the vessel is in continuous transit through the area. This area is north of a line connecting Montauk Light, Montauk Point, NY, and Block Island Southeast Light, Block Island, RI; and west of a line connecting Point Judith Light, Point Judith, RI, and Block Island Southeast Light, Block Island, RI.

Quite honestly I've never fished on any of their boats.I have a preferred boat out there that I fish on.

[williehookem]

Pure arrogance.Montauk itself is not LOADED with striped bass are there bass of course but loaded is a gross understatement.The Viking usually fishes Block Island Sound for bass.This is actually what the law says.

It is legal to "possess" bass in block island sound, including federal waters if within the boundary from Montauk light to SE light BI to Point Judith. You do not need to return to RI shore from montauk then head west to return to the westerly area.


Yeah what can you the guy has to rail his boat with people. I was going to go on it for a striper trip once but it was railed and still letting people on. How can fishing in crowds like that be a happy experience? Montauk is not loaded with stripers. They had a good spring and killed lots of cows. Makeing sure there will be less stripers for the future. Vicious cycle. I could not attend that meeting but its good to hear all the fellas speaking up. Striper fishing has really suffered here on LI. Thanks for posting that surfstix.

[rockhopper]

Pure arrogance.Montauk itself is not LOADED with striped bass are there bass of course but loaded is a gross understatement.The Viking usually fishes Block Island Sound for bass.This is actually what the law says.

It is legal to "possess" bass in block island sound, including federal waters if within the boundary from Montauk light to SE light BI to Point Judith. You do not need to return to RI shore from montauk then head west to return to the westerly area.


don't mean to pile on Forsberg but he is running a multi million dollar operation. His boats are known for putting fares on the meat not for their honesty. I would trust his words as much as I would trust a pickpocket. Surfstix what do you mean by that quote. Is he fishing block illegally and getting away with it. I heard a lot of boats have been there for the last month crushing the bass. Really sucks - fish move they have tails lol. Yeah why do those boats go to block every night then?

[hookset]

Wow videos really make things clear. You have all those guys saying how bad the striper population is and the Viking guy is the only one saying if you are not catching you need to put bait on your hook. What a tool. Thanks for sharing SS.

[plugginpete]

Pure arrogance.Montauk itself is not LOADED with striped bass are there bass of course but loaded is a gross understatement.The Viking usually fishes Block Island Sound for bass.This is actually what the law says.

It is legal to "possess" bass in block island sound, including federal waters if within the boundary from Montauk light to SE light BI to Point Judith. You do not need to return to RI shore from montauk then head west to return to the westerly area.

The following is the exceptin from the NOAA site

Atlantic striped bass ? EEZ fishery regulations
Recreational and Commercial fisheries -

EEZ closed to all striped bass possession or fishing. Atlantic Striped Bass may not be fished for, harvested, retained, or possessed in or from the EEZ. One exception - within Block Island Sound, possession of Atlantic striped bass is permitted, provided no fishing takes place from the vessel while in this EEZ area and the vessel is in continuous transit through the area


Wow did anyone catch Forsberg owner of the Viking fleet and what he said?
what an effing A**-clown! Do a seach for Viking pays fines for illegal fish and you will see the real story on him.

surfstix and 7deadly you are 100% correct on this.
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=%22viking+fined+for+illegal+striped+ bass

I agree just look at how many times he has been fined for fishing in federal waters. Apparently the laws apply to everyone else but his boats.
http://www.27east.com/news/article.cfm/Montauk/181055/Viking

[surfstix1963]

don't mean to pile on Forsberg but he is running a multi million dollar operation. His boats are known for putting fares on the meat not for their honesty. I would trust his words as much as I would trust a pickpocket. Surfstix what do you mean by that quote. Is he fishing block illegally and getting away with it. I heard a lot of boats have been there for the last month crushing the bass. Really sucks - fish move they have tails lol. Yeah why do those boats go to block every night then?


I'm not saying it is illegal because the law above is very sketchy.

Heres the article from NOAA: NOAA Charges Charter Operators with Illegal Fishing for Striped Bass

November 14, 2008
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/images/stripedbass_sm.jpg (http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/images/stripedbass.jpg)Striped bass.
High resolution (http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/images/stripedbass.jpg) (Credit: /NOAA)

A joint undercover operation by NOAA’s Fisheries Service Office of Law Enforcement (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/ole/) and New York and New Jersey enforcement agents has uncovered evidence of alleged illegal fishing by two charter operators.
The operators, Steven N. Forsberg and Viking Starship Inc. of Montauk, N.Y., and Jerome E. Hurd of Avalon, N.J., have been charged by NOAA with taking their patrons to catch striped bass in federal waters, where capture of the prized sport fish is prohibited.
During the undercover operations, federal agents and state officers posed as patrons on several charter vessels operating in New York and New Jersey.
Striped bass are one of the most sought-after species for both commercial and recreational fishermen from Maine to Cape Hatteras. The popularity of this fish, the complex nature of its migration, and its decline in harvest and recovery, led to significant management efforts in state waters by the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission, and a ban on fishing in federal waters since 1990.
“Unscrupulous charter and party boat captains quietly promote their willingness to take patrons into federal waters, primarily when striped bass are scarce in state waters,” said NOAA special agent Jeffrey Ray. “This creates an unfair business environment that penalizes law-abiding charter and party boat captains who refuse to break the rules.”
Forsberg and Viking Starship, the operator and owner of the FV Viking Starship, has been notified by NOAA of the charges of fishing, harvesting, possessing and retaining Atlantic striped bass illegally from federal waters, and submitting false oral or written statements about the catch to authorized federal officers. The agency also issued to Forsberg a notice of a potential $30,000 fine and a 30-day permit suspension for the alleged violations.
Hurd has been notified by NOAA of the charges of fishing, harvesting, possessing and retaining Atlantic striped bass illegally from federal waters, and then submitting false oral or written statements about the catch to authorized federal and state officers. The agency also issued to Hurd a notice of a potential $25,000 fine.
Violations of federal fishery rules are civil, not criminal matters. Disputed allegations are heard before an administrative law judge, whose decisions can be appealed to the NOAA administrator and through the federal court system.
So the only thing that comes to me is as long as you are fishing Block Island Sound your good if you go outside of Block Island Sound you are now in the EEZ and it is illegal to possess striped bass.(who's looking???)If you are in the EEZ you must be headed back to your port(Montauk)with no stops in between for fishing otherwise the bass are illegal.(again who's watching)Strange how such a small area can be EXEMPT from the law.