Re: Warning to you clam guys
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Originally Posted by
striperhunter
I agree with dark when I'm bait fishing I usally walk the beach picking up other peoples trash. what does it take to put it in garabge pail.:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by
finchaser
class and caring
I wanted to recognize Striperhunter as one of the small % of guys who are committed to the Future of Fishing......:thumbsup:
I wish somehow behavior like this, could be infections......http://stripersandanglers.com/Forum/...cons/icon3.png
If the Actions of guys like this, could only ignite a small spark, we fishermen would not be losing all the access we have lost in the last 5 years....
Food for thought......:learn:
More NJ Fishing Access Lost due to Fishermen Behavior and Selfishness.......
There was a continuation of an ongoing NJ access problem last night.
As a result, surf fishermen now lost more access, and may not get it back.
I got this first hand report from a younger angler who was there and witnessed it with his own eyes.
Confirmed independently through several sources in my network.
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The person telling me the story was a young kid (to me), but one who I have met several times out there. I have been more than willing to share some intel with him because of the way he fishes (alone) the respect he has for the water, the lengths he is willing to go, to catch a fish, and his honesty. :thumbsup:
Most importantly, he is not an internet hero, does not really understand the internet presence of the group he related details about that caused us to lose access last night......
He's out there to fish, and beat his personal best each time he fishes.
Whether he catches or not, he will not stop fishing until the bite is beyond dead, and seems to love fishing the way I do...in it's purest sense, not for the chest pounding on the internet.....:kooky:
Understands fishing as not something some of us want to do....but something that we need to do......
I have become disillusioned with a lot of the younger anglers out there (and some my age as well), whose internet reports are less about helping others to learn, and more about the glory and telling everyone how great they are.......
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As a side note to this, earlier in the week I fished next to an internet famous group, "Pro-Staff"...that toot their horn every day on Facebook....about what sharpies they are......and yet, the other night, they were not able to read the water and understand where the fish should be, until I started catching, and then promptly mugged me. Despite my trying to be discreet about the fish I was catching, they eventally figured it out.......
I like figuring things out on my own....
It took me a long time to get to this point. I'm very critical of any success I have, and even more critical of my failures.
When I don't catch, I'm analyzing to see
1. What I could have done better,
2. Why the conditions were off for that night.....
This side story doesn't have much to do with the other matter of access...but in a way it is slightly connected. It has caused me to hate the internet and what it has done to the old fashioned ideals of hard work learning about fishing, the selfishness of many folks out there, and what that lazyness/ selfishness has done to fishing......
It is a fact that the folks who are touting their own horns the loudest, on Facebook, are causing some of the worst fishing access problems we are facing.
So selfish that someone only becomes involved when it is in their specific self-interest, and many people expect to become good at fishing overnight.....If it sounds like I resent this, it's because it's taken me years, even decades, to learn how to read the water, why and how there is a bite, and where the fish might be, based on the conditions.......
The fact that there are people out there who want the shortest possible path from point A to Z....will always exist......
I am irritated that some of the people who proclaim themselves to be the best of the best in the fishing world (on the internet) are not honest and some have so little honor that their reports cannot be trusted as valid.
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The Outline of What Happened the night of 4-25-13,
as related by the younger fisherman I know, who witnessed it personally.
I fleshed out the details about who they are after I confirmed independently with other sources.
1. A popular new fishing club, composed of younger anglers, known for some spot burning and other things on Facebook, last night decided to come looking for one of their critics, and do some fishing at the same time.
2. These guys were loud and obnoxious, and were told by more than one person that what they were doing was going to ruin it not only for them, but for everyone who fished the area.
3. Words were exchanged, loud arguments developed, and threats were made.
4. Some kid felt so threatened, that the police were called.
5. It was so bad, that police from 2 towns had to respond.
6. The police told the instigators they had to leave, and that the entire area would henceforth be closed to fishing.
This means that everyone was forced to leave. No parking would be allowed, legal or not, in the night time in that area unless you are a homeowner. Tickets would be issued under the overnight parking statute.
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As mentioned I struggled with the way to develop this thread....
Talked to a few of ya's about it this AM...some said "you don't want to give them any more publicity, best to ignore it"
some have said....well the supporters will say..."You're just a hater, you're jealous"
I'm very happy to see younger anglers start a club out there....no one says you have to join a traditional club,,,
That's one of the beautiful things about free choice in America...you can choose what, where, and how to live your life....:thumbsup:
When your Free Choice, interferes with how other people can enjoy something they love,,,,then something must be said....and awareness must be raised.....
1. Some of the folks did say things on Facebook. As I understand it, last night this group came looking for a fight, to punish the Critics.....:lynchmob:
2. It should also be mentioned that this Winter, when this particular group was fishing in a closed area and posting about it daily on Facebook, I was advised that a senior member of a fishing club in that area tried to mentor them a bit, and give them some advice about the negative publicity they were generating.
That member, was promptly told to go eff himself. :don't know why:
No advice was wanted or needed.
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As I get more time, and things develop, I will try to get to either of those towns and reach out to the police to see if there were names in report for 4-25.
That is public information, and something I would feel comfortable posting here.
If any of ya's has the time, and can get there before me, please feel free to contact me via PM. I will give you more specific details, and tell you where to seek the info.
If you can come up with the names of those who were there last night, public record, I would be glad to see you post it and made available for all to see under our Constitutional rights.
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If its the people "young people" that I think it is who were mentioned on this site before then I can completely understand this happening. It should be expected because people like this will screw up the sport that we enjoy until something is done to change it. The longer I live the more people I learn to hate..... Dark, although I respect your decision on not mentioning their names, until people who are screwing up this world are identified, called out and held responsible we can expect things to get worse.
The penalty must be worse than the crime...we need deterrents.
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See, Monty, you figured it out already....:thumbsup:
You are absolutely correct in your assessment.....
The second that police report becomes available, if names are in it, I give any of ya's the permission to post the names here.....
Please PM me first. Although it will most likely be confidential, I don't want the name of the person who made the initial call to be posted anywhere on here....
And remember police reports generally take 7-10 days before they are logged on as being in the system.
If anyone wants to make those calls and follow up and post the names, I would be most grateful.
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Originally Posted by
DarkSkies
2. It should also be mentioned that this Winter, when this particular group was fishing in a closed area and posting about it daily on Facebook, I was advised that a senior member of a fishing club in that area tried to mentor them a bit, and give them some advice about the negative publicity they were generating.
That member, was promptly told to go eff himself. :don't know why:
No advice was wanted or needed.
Yup heard that too. Think it was Berkeley.
This group has no respect for anyone out there. Something's gotta give.http://stripersandanglers.com/Forum/...ons/icon13.png
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Re: More NJ Fishing Access Lost due to Fishermen Behavior and Selfishness.......
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Originally Posted by
DarkSkies
There was a continuation of an ongoing NJ access problem last night.
As a result, surf fishermen now lost more access, and may not get it back.
I got this first hand report from a younger angler who was there and witnessed it with his own eyes.
Confirmed independently through several sources in my network.
Veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery impressive^^^^^^^^
Todays youth gone wild because their parents are afraid to reprimandd or hit them because they will turn to drugs or run away so they have created a generation of disrespectful assh-les. Obviously there psychology didn't work. they need to get there asses kicked. This isn't the first incident with them it's a shame they didn't get there's last night
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No surprise they did the same thing at the power plant in the winter. They are like that black mold in your house after Sandy, everything they touch gets ruined.
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Don't throw all the young guys under the bus, some of us behave ourselves. :HappyWave:
I think I know who your talking about and it's unfortunate that its gotten this far.