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Originally Posted by
jonthepain
oh i know it's worth it... it's just that sometimes, i don't give a dam. but it passes, it passes.
i know you'll love me either way - thanks for all the support over the years!
you the man
God bless
jc
Of course we love ya either way....
(we're scared that if we don't ya'll come to our houses ahd shoot us with one of those redneck weapons.....:laugh:
:kiss: :HappyWave:)
As for being the man, the only man I resemble right now is a Grouchy Old Man, till I get my car back....
I think I've been around Finchaser for too long...:argue:
.I think if we started a school for Grouchy Basstards, I could teach a course or 2.....
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Originally Posted by
jonthepain
Hey Rich, Congrats on 100 pages for this thread!
Way to get the word out.
Hey Jon, I try but don't want all that credit....this thread is partially me posting the words of others, and all the members who have been able to jump in and comment over the years...whether they are alcoholics or not...all have contributed to make this a great thread.....
A Non-Fishing Thread....on a Fishing Website...that has the most views of any thread here...who woulda thunk it?
Thank you for all your contributions Jon, you really add some redneck color to this site....(you know I'm just kidding)....Wish I hit the lottery so I could make both our lives better...but in the meantime, a day being poor and sober, has more clarity and honor than being a drunk.....:thumbsup:
Thanks for the kind words...
I temporaily lost the website e-mail that used to send me these daily readings...if any one finds the link before I do, please let me know, would appreciate it...thanks....
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I found another site for the daily readings.
It's called www.intherooms.com
All the things I post for now will come from the daily readings.
Check them out when you get a chance, if you have an interest in that kind of stuff.....:thumbsup:
Today's Reading:
Taking vs. Receiving
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There is a vast difference between taking and receiving. There is a way of receiving that is also giving. When I can receive, I act as a willing container for another person's gift. I validate the giver's act of giving and acknowledge his or her generosity. This benefits both the giver and the receiver in equal measure, both are enriched and neither overly depleted.
When I take, I do not acknowledge the gift - rather, I put in the purse of my being that which I want, then snap it shut and go off to take again, hoping that no one notices. This leaves both parties wanting - the giver feels she has been manipulated into giving whether wanting to or not; and the taker - because without receiving a person never really fills up - just continues to feel empty.
I can acknowledge a gift; I can receive.
Developing the muscles of the soul demands no competitive spirit, no killer instinct, although it may erect pain barriers that the spiritual athlete must crash through.
Germaine Greer
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The above has meaning to me because some of the best friendships I have now, are with people I didn't know 15 years ago. As life runs its course, I think we periodically need to sweep the "takers" out of our lives. We become comfortable with certain people in "legacy" relationships, and as a result, may have some folks in our lives, where we are the ones doing the giving, and they are constantly doing the taking.
My brusqueness and bluntness with some people is noticable at times....
Because I have developed an inner sense of who is likely to be a taker....
and who is more equal in relationships, willing to give as well as receive.
So I have gradually weeded the "takers" out of my life....
Much like a garden, where if you don't weed it regularly, it becomes overgrown....
I think to some extent, modern society encourages taking rather than giving....
Many of us are apathetic about getting involved in something, or helping someone, unless we feel it affects us directly.
I suppose that's human nature...but those aren't the lessons I learned when I was growing up...
And at the very least, some of us have forgotten old-fashioned manners, such as saying a sincere "Thank you!" to others when they help us....some of the best friendships I now have, are because I learned the value of expressing my gratitude for the generosity extended to me.
I would like to thank the folks at www.intherooms.com for their daily meditations......
And hopefully can give back something to them by turning some on to that site....
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Anniversary --
My yearly one was July 9th, wanted to mention it before the month is done...
I had wanted to say something when the date came around. but was looking for my exact sobriety date....
And I'm not sure if it was 28, 29, or 30 years ago....:bucktooth:
There was a lot of administrating I was doing here that took up too much time...
So I've put that spare time into being out there fishing, :fishing: instead....
I have slacked off on a lot of things, here....:o
I do appreciate those who have taken up that slack, and wanted to thank all of ya's for your efforts...:clapping: :clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:
For without your efforts this site wouldn't be as good as it is.....
Still wanted to find an online certificate for Jonthepain's Anniversary. :clapping::thumbsup: :thumbsup:..and some other tasks which have fallen by the wayside....Jon I hope you know how proud I am of ya, and everyone else who manages to celebrate a Sobriety Date Anniversary.........
:clapping: :clapping: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Too many people have died from this disease.....
I have known several of them personally, friends over the years.....
They are now gone....
I pray for them, and hopefully in reaching out to the struggling alcoholics and addicts, some more will be encouraged to come "Into the Rooms" to get the help they need.....
Remember all who are reading this....
The help is there...
But you have to want it...
And most importantly, ASK for it.....:thumbsup: :HappyWave:
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:clapping::clapping::clapping:Many congratualtions dark! It must be hard to stay straight that long. Great discipline!
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Kudos dark, and hopes for many more.:thumbsup:
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haha you bin on the wagon longer then i bin alive, lol!:clapping:
ill have a drink to toast you the next time im at the gogorama,srlsly good deal dude! come down to the ggr one nite and ill buy u a soda, coke or gingerale yur choice!
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Best wishes on many more dark skies. Thank you for all you do.
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^^Thank you all for the kind words. And an extra thanks for all that you all....do....:HappyWave:
Reading for today from ITR.com
Simple Pleasures
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I have simple tastes, I am easy to please. Today I will not pound my fist on the table of life demanding more from it than I am willing to give to it. When I can take pleasure in ordinary things and joy from everyday experience, life fills me, feels satisfying. This attitude allows me to use what I have. I recognize that it is not what I have but how I value and enjoy it that generates happiness.
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Congrats on your anniversary, my brother. Keep up the good work.
And please pray for my Mom. She went into the hospital last night with what they think was a stroke.
Mom was born in 1920.
Thanks,
Jon
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This was the most important moment in your life. You grew beyond your wildest dreams. Congrats! (BTW - my heart will always beat for you no matter what becomes of.....)
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Jon,
Our prayers are with your mom and your family. Keep us informed.
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Originally Posted by
DarkSkies
Anniversary --
My yearly one was July 9th, wanted to mention it before the month is done...
I had wanted to say something when the date came around. but was looking for my exact sobriety date....
And I'm not sure if it was 28, 29, or 30 years ago...
Congrats big time Dark :HappyWave: :thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by
jonthepain
And please pray for my Mom. She went into the hospital last night with what they think was a stroke.
Mom was born in 1920.
Thanks,
Jon
Jon, Prayers sent.
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thanks, guys.
ps wish me a happy birthday - i'm 55 today :)
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Happy Birthday Jon!!!!:birthday:
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^^Thanks for the kind words, all. :HappyWave:
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Originally Posted by
jonthepain
Congrats on your anniversary, my brother. Keep up the good work.
And please pray for my Mom. She went into the hospital last night with what they think was a stroke.
Mom was born in 1920.
Thanks,
Jon
Your Mom was born in 1920, that would make her around 92....what an interesting life she must have had so far.
I am sorry to hear the news, will call when I get a chance, and will pray for her.
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They sent Mom home today, she was doing pretty good.
She has since developed a fever and her blood pressure is up, but she is resting, which is good.
At first they said she had a mini-stroke but now they are saying it was rather severe.
I'll keep you all updated.
Thanks,
Jon
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Thoughts and prayers john, hope she can hang in there.
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Hoping things will turn out okay.
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Mom had another stroke last night. She's in tough shape.
I'm off to the hospital... thanks for your support; I'll post an update as soon as I can.
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Yes, very sad news, thoughts and prayers sent.
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Thoughts and prayers. May God watch over her.
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Still praying for her, Jon, please keep us updated....
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Live for Today....
this is a variation of an old Sanskrit Proverb I think is somewhere in this thread as well....
Seizing the Moment
(from ITR daily mails)
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I will not hold back today. I will seize the moment. All the excitement and beauty of life is just as present in it as is or ever will be possible. There is nowhere else to be. This is it. The potential for life is here and now; there is not nor could there be another, more important or soul-filled moment.
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Thanks everybody.
Mom was released yesterday. I had to go back to work, so my wife has taken my place with Mom. She'll give her a hand for a few days, and we'll see if she can live on her own again. If not, she'll go to the next level up of assisted living.
The first stroke was in the back of the brain, the part that controls vision, so she is now legally blind. She has limited, blurry pinhole vision in one eye; the other is completely blind. The second stroke was in the left front of the brain, which controls speech. She has been able to get a lot of that back.
Mom is quite a character. Her mom died when she was 8; her dad lost everything in the great depression (Mom was born in 1920,) and my dad died suddenly in 1985 at the age of 67. They were married in 1942 the day before Dad shipped out to Pearl, where he spent the war as a codebreaker. She managed to conceive on their wedding night, but lost the baby.
The list of stuff goes on and on, but she has a great sense of humor and is a tough old bird.
When she was on the edge a week ago, she told me, "sh_t happens." We sure are glad that she survived.
Thanks again for all your prayers.
Yours,
Jon
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from the Daily Readings....
September 6
Honest Living
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Soul cannot shine through a distorted lens; it cannot operate through a dishonest life, a life filled with pretense and subtle lies. I will be honest and genuine in the way I live. I won't pretend to be what I am not in order to look good. Living well requires a constant vigilance, constant awareness. When I don't pay attention to the way I live, it is all too easy to slip into bad habits and nonproductive ways of thinking, behaving and conducting myself. I will live mindfully today. I live an honest life.
IF.............
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting, too,
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;
If you can dream - and not makes dreams your master,
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim,
If you can meet Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same.
Rudyard Kipling
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Originally Posted by
jonthepain
Mom is quite a character. Her mom died when she was 8; her dad lost everything in the great depression (Mom was born in 1920,) and my dad died suddenly in 1985 at the age of 67. They were married in 1942 the day before Dad shipped out to Pearl, where he spent the war as a codebreaker. She managed to conceive on their wedding night, but lost the baby.
The list of stuff goes on and on, but she has a great sense of humor and is a tough old bird.
When she was on the edge a week ago, she told me, "sh_t happens." We sure are glad that she survived.
Thanks again for all your prayers.
Yours,
Jon
Interesting story, Jon..I don't remember hearing that from you before......
I like her outlook on life, because sh*t certainly does happen....:)
Keeping her in our prayers....:HappyWave:
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She's still in our prayers, Jon...
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I'm posting this because sometimes we take all the great things (and people) out there, for granted...I know I'm guilty of this as well...
From the ITR site...
How Amazing Is This World
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How fantastic it is to imagine a creator, a force behind this wondrous mystery of life. Could it really be possible? Could life and death still be life? Am I just another aspect of the cycle of life, of soul? Who is this power that creates such beauty? This mystery is beyond my powers of contemplation. It humbles me, it puts me into perspective, it makes everything else seem so much smaller. Life. Where do I begin to wonder about it? Is accepting the mystery enough or do I need to solve it in order to enjoy it? Perhaps I am only meant to accept and live with the mystery in order to participate, to stand in awe before that which I can probably never fully understand. Today, at least, that will have to do. Today my jaw will drop.
What had that flower to do with being white,
The wayside blue and innocent heal-all?
What brought the kindred spider to that height,
Then steered the white moth thither in the night?
What but design of darkness to appall? -
If design govern in a thing so small
Robert Frost
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Written by a Wise Guy
Quote:
Who has woe? who has sorrow? who has contentions? who has babbling? who has wounds without cause? who has redness of eyes?
They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine.
- Solomon
(Proverbs 23:29,30)
yup, that was me.
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Wine [is] a mocker, strong drink [is] raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
-Solomon
(Proverbs 20:1)
yeah, i knew getting drunk was a dumb thing to do. guess it took a while (ok, like 30 years of being drunk constantly) for it to sink in.
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Yea, you shall be as he that lies down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lies upon the top of a mast. prov 23:34
rofl this one always cracked me up. don't know why bedspins are funny, but they are
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Originally Posted by
mick2360
Jon, Great to see you here! Keep coming back! :D
Dark, There is a lot of disagreement over various aspects of a twelve step program. I was lucky; I was sick enough and desperate enough to follow advice. It saved my life. We come from different angles on the God aspect of the program. Acknowledging that and putting it aside, agreeing to disagree if you will, there is still a lot I can learn from you. How can I not respect a man who carries a googan bucket with such confidence and dignity? :HappyWave:
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Originally Posted by
jonthepain
BE the bucket
And you see from this thread that everything in fishing and sobriety, eventually refers back to the bucket.......:laugh: :clapping: :HappyWave:
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This is for jonthepain........:HappyWave:
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jonthepain
thanks, guys. but it's all grace. no way could it be me.
Pray for Grace......time to start posting in this thread again.....:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvhrY6JVOL4
Lyrics....Pray for Grace...Michael Fanti and Spearhead
Why must I feel like this today
I'm a soldier but afraid sometimes
To face the things that may
Block the sun from shinin' rays
And fill my life with shades of grey
But still I long to find a way
So today I pray for grace
I take a moment to myself
So I can myself
To feel myself
And be real myself
Life's addictions and afflictions
Cause abrasions from their friction
Sometimes, it's easier to live in fiction
I can run, but I can't hide
From the pains that
Reside deep down inside
There is no pill
That can be swallowed
There is no guru
That can be followed
There's no escapin'
From my own history
Those that I hurt,
And those that hurt me
I was dead for a million years
'Fore I was born and
I'll be dead for a million more
After I'm gone
So I live, to give somethin'
That can live on
Like the way you hum a song when the music's gone
Like the warmth on the sand
When the sun goes down
And I'm sittin' with myself
Nobody else is around but,
(chorus)
Been a long, long time
Since I been away
Been a long, long time
Since I felt this way
Been a long, long time
I found the words to say
How much I'm grateful
For my life today
'Cause under every cup
You might find a nut
Behind every corner
You might get jacked up
At the end of every rainbow,
You might find gold
The last bite of your sandwich,
Hope you don't find mould
'Cause none of us
Can live the perfect life
The kind that we see on nick at night
And sometimes, we all
Just lose sight
Of the pain that will guide us
From dark into the light
We fall down yes, but we get up,
And sometimes we just need
A little bit of love
To help make it
Through another day
Into the night, into the light,
Into a Saturday
So in the morning when I'm waitin'
For the sun to raise
And my head's a little foggy
Like I'm in a haze
I remind myself that
Everything is gonna be okay
I take a breath, slow down and say....
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Serenity Prayer...
God grant me the Serenity to Accept the things I cannot change.
Strength to Change the things I can.
And the Wisdom, to know the Difference....
Change.... from the ITR daily feed....
"I cannot change without thinking.
This saying makes you ponder. It is a thought that challenges us to think outside of the box. It forces us into explanation. You cannot really change something without first understanding what it is you want to change. "
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Change, and our everyday lives.....
Many of us complain about the monotony of an everyday, boring life....we allow ourselves at times to get into a rut....
This can happen with work, family, relationships with friends, even the recreational activities we like...if we do things the same way each time, it is easy to think..."Hey, I'm bored here, is that all there is to life?" :don't know why:
For addicts and alcoholics, routine is good.
In our addictions, we had many bad habits. Some not related to drinking or drugs, but related to behavior.
Breaking the cycle of alcoholism/addiction involves removing alcohol and drugs.
It also involves identifying those bad habits and moving forward to break them...
I think these words may also apply not only to those struggling with addiction, but with life as well.....
The routine that many of us complain about..yes it can get boring, and mundane.....
In a way, humans are creatures of habit...some of us grow to accept and embrace the routine...because it provides us a sense of comfortability....
I understand that....the comfortability of knowing you have a job, or a home, or people who love you, in your circle of the world, is very powerful.....
It can also act as a buffer from the terrible things going on at times in the outside world.
However, there are times in life when we need to change, for ourselves....to make the move to the next level...whether it be emotionally, professionally, financially, or just giving ourselves more opportunities to find the things that make us really happy....
I'm kind of in that situation right now....
Stuck in the comfortability of the past...
Slowly pushing myself to take on different challenges and opportunities....
At times it is daunting....I honestly don't want to do it...:scared:
As much as I am hungry for other opportunities, and say I want a better life for myself...I still have the character defect of procrastination...and hanging on to the comfortability of the past......
There are times in life when you have to recognize that the reality you are in today...is not your future...
If you are depressed or feeling down, there is almost always a better way, if you are willing to plan, and work your plan....
The passage from ITR above kind of touches on that...and hence the reason for my thoughts today...
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If anyone else is feeling that way, or has felt that way...don't despair...:thumbsup:
The only final chapter in life is death....if you recognize and accept that, you know that every day you can write a new chapter....
Today, you can change your life....:thumbsup:
As I change my life and some of the bad habits I've fallen into, I'll try to talk about it here....
I know others get a lot out of these posts.
I stopped posting so much in this thread because I didn't think it was making a difference...but then all of a sudden I started getting PMs of encouragement...finally understanding that even though this thread helps me at times, it also helps others, who would prefer to remain anonymous....
That's ok...you can always comment if you feel like it....no stigmas are attached to posting in this thread.....
This thread is as much about life, and our struggles with it, as it is about alcoholism and addiction....
If my words have been an inspiration to some, as evidenced by the PMs, I thank you for the kind words you have sent....
And just remember, in your darkest hours, you are not alone.
If you can manage to reach out to others...some will heed the call....and tomorrow can be a better day......:thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by
jonthepain
Mom is quite a character. Her mom died when she was 8; her dad lost everything in the great depression (Mom was born in 1920,) and my dad died suddenly in 1985 at the age of 67. They were married in 1942 the day before Dad shipped out to Pearl, where he spent the war as a codebreaker. She managed to conceive on their wedding night, but lost the baby.
The list of stuff goes on and on, but she has a great sense of humor and is a tough old bird.
When she was on the edge a week ago, she told me, "sh_t happens." We sure are glad that she survived.
Thanks again for all your prayers.
Yours,
Jon
I enjoy hearing about your Mom, Jon. Your family started with nothing...and was able to find some success in the landscape of opportunity in this great country....
The color you add to the posts by your characterizations is part of it....it's all real, and could be the story of any one of us....thanks as always for sharing. :thumbsup: :HappyWave:
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you're welcome.
went to the funeral of a good friend of mine last week. he sat next to me in Bible study, and in the one-step program the he went to every week, and I attended sporadically.
heckuva nice guy, just retired from the State Highway Patrol.
59 years old. too young.
Mike Williams. goodbye, my brother. Godspeed.
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^^ I'm sorry Jon I just saw this....My deepest condolences on the loss of your friend.....
I'll call you this week...so sorry to hear that.....
RIP Mike Williams......:(