Re: More NJ Fishing Access Lost due to Fishermen Behavior and Selfishness.......
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Originally Posted by
J Barbosa
Don't throw all the young guys under the bus, some of us behave ourselves. :HappyWave:
I think I know who your talking about and it's unfortunate that its gotten this far.
Ok you can drive the bus:HappyWave:
Re: More NJ Fishing Access Lost due to Fishermen Behavior and Selfishness.......
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Originally Posted by
J Barbosa
Don't throw all the young guys under the bus, some of us behave ourselves. :HappyWave:
I think I know who your talking about and it's unfortunate that its gotten this far.
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Originally Posted by
finchaser
Ok you can drive the bus:HappyWave:
:HappyWave:
I call shotgun!!
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You guys are hilarious. I prefer a yellow taxi in the city this way nobody would notice my erratic driving.
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Dark I don't know if you are on facebook but they were identified as the urban anglers on facebook. Isn't that public enough to name them here? Delete this if you want but I am growing to hate these guys. If I ever see one of them I willl spit on them.
Re: More NJ Fishing Access Lost due to Fishermen Behavior and Selfishness.......
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Originally Posted by
J Barbosa
Don't throw all the young guys under the bus, some of us behave ourselves. :HappyWave:
I think I know who your talking about and it's unfortunate that its gotten this far.
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Originally Posted by
finchaser
Ok you can drive the bus:HappyWave:
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Originally Posted by
Monty
:HappyWave:
I call shotgun!!
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Originally Posted by
J Barbosa
You guys are hilarious. I prefer a yellow taxi in the city this way nobody would notice my erratic driving.
Haha hilarious, lol! :clapping:
I want in too, - i call 2nd shotgun after Monty!
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Urban anglers they are a joke. One of them drives a black truck. I'll get the plate numbers the next time he is fishing FR. Post em here if dark will let me.
They also cheated to win the contest at Absecon bay, Dave's shop. The way the fish were hiitting that week, there is no way they got the winning fish on March 1st. Fish were being caught at the end of the day. The sun and tide have a lot to do with the bite there. Also whether they let warm water out. The schedule for that varies. They caught those fish on Feb 28 sometime in the day. My friend saw them fishing that afternoon. They were probably caught around 6-9pm Feb 25 and kept in a cooler till they made the drive down there at midnight to be the first in line Mar 1.
This group is the symbol of everything that is wrong with fishing nowadays.
Ego driven internet fishermen.
Re: More NJ Fishing Access Lost due to Fishermen Behavior and Selfishness.......
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Originally Posted by
finchaser
Veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery impressive^^^^^^^^
Todays youth gone wild because their parents are afraid to reprimandd or hit them because they will turn to drugs or run away so they have created a generation of disrespectful assh-les. Obviously there psychology didn't work. they need to get there asses kicked. This isn't the first incident with them it's a shame they didn't get there's last night
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Originally Posted by
Monty
If its the people "young people" that I think it is who were mentioned on this site before then I can completely understand this happening. It should be expected because people like this will screw up the sport that we enjoy until something is done to change it. The longer I live the more people I learn to hate..... Dark, although I respect your decision on not mentioning their names, until people who are screwing up this world are identified, called out and held responsible we can expect things to get worse.
The penalty must be worse than the crime...we need deterrents.
What Monty said. Dark you should name these basstards. Like Steve said if they are on facebook and it is public there should be no legal issues. They give all of us a bad name. Mommy and Daddy probably never punished them when they were little like finchaser said.
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OK people. I wasn't aware of the controversy over facebook. Finchaser made me aware that this crew really has made a lot of friends out there. :rolleyes:
Since it is public already I have no problem or legal liability by naming the Urban-Anglers crew.
Furthermore, when the police report becomes available, if their names are in it feel free to post them here.
As Monty said we have lost a sense of shame in the fishing community when some selfish people do things that negatively affect others.
Remember if and when their names are posted here, that the ones that are named, should be held the most responsible.
I still don't think it's fair to blame the whole club for the behavior of a few. There are probably quite a few young kids who blindly follow what the leaders are doing.
Similar circumstances existed in the Boston Bombings....I believe that younger brother was manipulated into following his older brother.
Re: More NJ Fishing Access Lost due to Fishermen Behavior and Selfishness.......
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Originally Posted by
J Barbosa
Don't throw all the young guys under the bus, some of us behave ourselves. :HappyWave:
I think I know who your talking about and it's unfortunate that its gotten this far.
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Originally Posted by
finchaser
Ok you can drive the bus:HappyWave:
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Originally Posted by
Monty
:HappyWave:
I call shotgun!!
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Originally Posted by
J Barbosa
You guys are hilarious. I prefer a yellow taxi in the city this way nobody would notice my erratic driving.
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Originally Posted by
storminsteve
Haha hilarious, lol! :clapping:
I want in too, - i call 2nd shotgun after Monty!
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Originally Posted by
DarkSkies
Monty, thank you for your insight and suggestions. :HappyWave:
I just want to be in the front of the bus :headbang: :HappyWave:
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The behavior of the young is appauling. They feel as if they are entitled to do what they want. They won't learn until they can't fish anywere.:beatin:
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Originally Posted by
Fishman
The behavior of the young is appauling. They feel as if they are entitled to do what they want. They won't learn until they can't fish anywere.:beatin:
Amen fishman.
Re: Fishing Access....Ruining Access for Fun and Profit.....
So, we've had threads here, on the facebook spot burners...and the internet heroes who after having fished for 5 years are suddenly experts, dispensing advice on where to fish, where the fish are, telling others their secrets of catching cow bass, and drawing maps with GPS coordinates to specific locations where they caught the latest "Epic" bite......
**This game used to be so hard, with actual miles logged, on the sand and rocks, to find the fish...
When I started surf fishing I was a kid, about 10 or 12...it was easy to catch bass on clams and I did that...
but when I wanted to learn how to catch fish on artificials, other than in a blitz...it was a long and painful process for me....many many nights of not catching anything, losing gear, plugs, wind knots, getting blasted by wind, not knowing patterns, tides, or anything about fish migration....it was an excruciatingly painful process to learn some of the things I now know.
Some helped me along the way, with little bits and pieces of advice.
I am also extremely grateful for some of the friends I have made, mentors, friends, etc, whose skill was far beyone mine...just the opportunity to fish with folks like that, has shown me some of the subtle nuances I was missing......
No one took me by the hand and said "this is how you catch a fish, go to XXX jetty or beach tonight because they have crushed them there for the last 3 nights..."
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Recently there have been some threads on here talking about Post-Sandy Access,,,,
I have tried to educate some of the folks out there...
1. That we are losing access every year. All documented here.
2. Other states and areas are worse (Connecticut or the North Shore of LI for example)
3. Our state could very soon adopt some of the sneaky tricks they use in other states to keep fishermen out...while they don't violate the Public Trust Doctrine, if a town posts severe night parking restrictions, they can effectively shut off all fishing in that area.....it's that simple folks, and many just don't seem to understand or get that....
4. As some areas are rebuilt from Sandy, access will be retained if they used Federal dollars to do it....it's mandatory...but there are all kinds of sneaky ways higher income towns can prevent fishermen from fishing an area..beyond parking restrictions...
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Losing Access in Monmouth County 2013...
Monmouth county, one of the most heavily populated Northern countries, has its own host of access issues...
1. Bridge fishing has been taken away, either by virtue of making it inaccessible (Raising the new Highlands Bridge, making fishing unrealistic from a height of 70' over the water)....
2. Certain selfish individuals have taken it upon themselves, when the local police are kind enough to relax the statutes and not enforce the law, to create disturbances or bring crowds large enough to cause fights, or the local residents to demand that something be done....
3. It might surprise some to know that anglers did get bridge access back recently. Although I have been hesitant to mention this, a small group of fishermen found various ways to do it.
4. Another county-specific issue is that a large national company bought up the rights to staff the bridges with their bridge tenders, as opposed to tenders on the State's payroll......
5. This contract with the State, is allegedly saving money as pensions and benefit packages are greatly reduced....and it doesn't look like that will change anytime soon....
6. However, that means a new dynamic.,,,,no more fishing on the bridges...the new company has an insurance plan that prohibits that, they don't want the liability.......
So the fact that some enterprising fishermen have become "nighttime politicians" and found a way to somehow fish these bridges, is nothing short of miraculous....
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Here is the other reason......
Another of them is a pro-staffer who will soon start his own guide service, and has been bringing groups of up to 5 at a time to fish in areas that are restricted.
In case anyone thinks this is a misguided attempt by me to discredit some person or group., I have documentation. I have witnessed some of this personally and documented that as well.
Some won't like it, but it is the truth...selfish people are again ruining it for the rest of us...
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I will be going into more detail as this new guide service is unveiled......remember that I can document this all... and have, in previous posts here....
My question to you folks out there.....
Is it ok to ruin the access for others, if you are only doing it to make a living? :learn:
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Would that be a CTS pro staffer. Hs's all over facebook.the best surfcaster that ever lived. The biggest mouth that ever lived too. If it's who I think it is he sux.
Re: Fishing Access....Ruining Access for Fun and Profit.....
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Originally Posted by
DarkSkies
My question to you folks out there.....
Is it ok to ruin the access for others, if you are only doing it to make a living? :learn:
In my opinion...
No, it is completely wrong.
Post it up with the facts.
At some point these people who are screwing us need to be called out and held accountable like the meat men, the urban angler *ss holes and others that are really screwing up this sport we all enjoy.
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Yes you folks are right on your assumptions. But instead of assumptions and just throwing jabs at someone where the motives may be questioned later.....Let's just try to stick to the facts.......
1. The generation of fishermen trash by a new posse of followers...all who have I have never seen in that moco area until 2013.
2. The fact that certain members in the group only fish a certain way....is a dead giveaway about who brought them there, or taught them to fish that way....
Without giving all the details, when you fish a river system, you learn over time that the fish move with the tide......I learned this the hard way, trial, error, and many nights of not catching.....yet the new breed, will stand and cast to structure, in a few limited places, all night long......Again., this at least suggests that some of them have been taught by our newest unnamed soon to be celebrity here......because every single one of them, in this group, fishes the same way....
It's such compelling evidence, because in all the years I have been fishing there, there have rarely been 4-5 guys lined up at night, fishing the structure, in exactly the same way, without regard to the fish moving and re-positioning with the tide.......
Some may say this is circumstantial evidence....but it is evidence, none the less.
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The trash and carelessness, and loud conversations at 3am.....
I have been taking pics as evidence in case someone were to come on here and question my motives...
1. I have also been picking up and disposing of fishermen trash so the affluent homeowners in the area don't get to see it in the morning.....and thereby make a call to the mayor asking him when he will be installing no parking signs to restrict the slob fishermen that keep coming there at night.....
2. I have been privy to loud conversations as I fish silently at night, by myself...
Trying to enjoy the solitude, and concentrate on the fishing, I have heard detailed conversations......here are just a few of the topics....as I stand silently in the night, and blend in, rather than get involved in loud conversations at 3am, without regard to homeowners who may be sleeping nearby:
*The Striper Cup, winning the Striper Cup this year....
*Starting a guide service......talking about the details.,....
*Talk about girlfriends, wives, wives complaining about fishing too much......
*Who got the biggest fish that night so far, what their numbers were...
*Personal issues, who is sick, who died, in the fishing community.......
These are all conversations I have been privy to, while fishing in the shadows 2-300' away from the loudmouths.....folks don't realize how easily their voices travel on the water at night. And how easy it is for the neighbors in that area to hear their conversations as well.