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we have that happen in raritan bay all the time and last year they were ticketing people at cliffwood beach becuz of the idiots spot burning and littering. if you want to let people know where u catch fish keep it in a small group. that one extra person you trust you will be sad you did when he brings all his friends there the next day. hey welcome to the site eddyrider, what's all that anthracite stuff?:HappyWave:Quote:
Originally Posted by EddyRider
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Originally Posted by wish4fish
I have a kayakfishing guiding business in the Endless Mountains of PA on the Susquehanna River. Anthracite Outfitters, LLC click the links in the signature to go to our site.
Thanks for the welcome and I just don't get why people just can't understand that blowing up a spot in print is just the wrong way to go about protecting these areas from being overrun.
1.To the self-esteem challenged guy who saw fit to post a specific street on the internet as a "blitz location"....
Why is your self-esteem so low that you have to build yourself up among thousands of internet strangers, bringing them to residential areas where the heavy traffic and flow of fishermen won't have anything but negative results for our future of fishing there?...
2. To the brazen genius who suggested that the best way to make fishing friends on the internet was to create a "limited" list of text and cell phone chain so a "few good friends" could all clue each other in on whatever fishing opportunities that arose, and "fish together and all have a good time".
Dude you need to get a clue. http://stripersandanglers.com/Forum/...cons/icon3.gif
I'm thinking even if someone patiently tried to explain why that's a bad idea on so many levels, you would probably sit there defending your idea until someone gave you the smackdown you deserve. :beatin:
3. To the administrators of certain fishing web sites who think it's OK to generate internet traffic by not moderating such posts, and allowing it to boost your internet ratings...
I'm waiting for some of these places to be restricted in the near future. You administrators who refuse to moderate posts naming specific fishing locations bear some of that responsibility.
I have more thoughts on this, but these are the most diplomatic ones I can think of right now.
I'll to try to address this at a later time when I've had time to think of a milder response than the ones I'm thinking.
Anyone who wants to add to this discussion, feel free to weigh in. :thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by DarkSkies
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Well said!
Dark for President! :clapping::clapping::clapping:
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Originally Posted by DarkSkies
He wasn't a self-esteem challenged guy just another want to be internet loser :burn: Let's not forget he couldn't catch fish in a boat either (which was stated by him)
Lets not forget the other loser who wanted to start a text message hot line for blitz info, 3/4 of these people with out cell phones and the internet couldn't catch a fish,goes for some people that post here too.
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Originally Posted by finchaser
That guy is a ****. Ahab the **** smoker.:burn: There are enough people out there. If they know what they are doing and figure it out, so be it. To clue the whole world in shows that either he has only been fishing a few years, or is such a loser in real life that's the only way he thinks he can get some respect for people. Tool.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkSkies
This came from another site, the guy posted a blitz report, he thought he was helping people. This is what really happens after, and people should think about that. Good thread.
"Thanks for the report. Because of it, I got to walk up and down the beach that I fish every night, only to find piles of fishing line and garbage. If you are going to report chase, at least have some respect for the beaches you are on. These reports are supposed to give people an education. Telling them where the fish are is not an education. The fish are there one minute, and gone the next. It's sending them on a wild goose chase. Telling them that you were fishing on the south shore beaches, at a certain tide, with a certain wind direction, with a certain bait predominant, is an education.
I have no issues with reporting. I have written a few myself in the past. I just do not consider that a report, and hope that in the future, the people "computer fishing" will pick up after themselves."
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Originally Posted by rockhopper
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Internet loser = guy with small penis who has nothing else going on for him.:dQuote:
Originally Posted by finchaser
Here is a pretty reasonable opinion I found on the internet about spot burning. I like the way this guy thinks -----:clapping:
Many of the members who post reports don't fully understand the possible ramifications of their actions.
Many have not been fishing long, or have not been on the site long, in effect, they don't have the life experience to foresee the trickle down effects of their posted report. They are just fulfilling a few of the basic human instincts and mean no harm. If the person is a reasonable sort, then your sole, effective course of action is to "educate" them, and this should be done with an understanding of human nature. If you attack, they will defend and your mesage is lost. If you deliver your message with tact and solid reasoning, they may begin to understand.
1) It's not the bad you may do to yourself, it is the unintentional harm you may do to others. Most people don't consider this and don't care for blood on their hands.
2) Remind that this is one of the major reasons why the "upper eschelon" does not do this.
3) That the posted reports are read by thousands, mostly by non-contributors, many of which constitute a bad element (slobs, illegals, etc). This is an important point because many members think that only the small group that replies or contributes are the ones reading the reports.
4) You understand that the member is just trying to "help" other like minds catch fish, but because of point# 3, it frequently backfires.
5) Point out that if the person is looking to advance within the "ranks" of the surf fishing community, then gaining an understanding of the culture is neccessary.
6) That respecting fellow surfcasters includes respecting their turf.
Well-said!
Someone made this comment last week. Not to single any one person out, because this statement has become a manra for some.
Right now we have several examples that shoot holes in that statement: :kooky:
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Originally Posted by DarkSkies
This occurs more than you can imagine, folks. Either a high concentration of bait or favorable temps will keep fish in an area for days, or even weeks. This happens every year along the bays and at at several coastal locations. It's almost like clockwork.
If you do your homework and keep a detailed fishing log, you can almost predict when these things will happen.
And along comes someone who spouts out the above sentence, the title to this post. :don't know why:
Again, this isn't directed at a specific person. I've heard it so many times I'm sick of hearing it, though. :2flip: When you make a statement like this, and actually believe your words, it shows you are either very uninformed in fish and bait behavior, or that you are very inexperienced, and not willing to learn more to better yourself.
The next time someone makes a statement like this, I'll diplomatically :beatin: :laugh: try to point them to this thread. For now I thought it was a good time to re-visit this thread. We have several areas along the shore where these conditions are now developing. If you don't agree, please skim this whole thread and let the comments sink in. Thanks people. :HappyWave:
"Spot-on", Dark! :laugh: :HappyWave:
Most INTERNET and cell phone fish report chasers by time they get to a spot unless the fish are blitzing are clueless and don't get anything. Examples are the snot slingers they arrive and set up multiple rods and watch as everyone around them get fish on metal. Before the INTERNET and especially cell phones there was no such thing unless someone opened there mouth at a 7-11 or tackle store. Maybe with the extended fluke season and lack of bass they will go back where they came from. just my take on spot burning and fluke fishermen gone wild.
WHY? Why would anyone want to give away a spot that may produce at any given time. Expose it to the masses and put more pressure on it than it can handle. I see no benefit to that, it's crazy to me. My opinion on spot burning has not changed since my last post in this thread. I won't frequent certain productive areas that have treated me well in the past due to the increase in fisherman, I don't enjoy crowds.
Maybe I'm wrong, but with certain beaches being closed to the plovers, less parking areas, and the increase of fisherman every year, the movement of goverment to possibly close some areas, and the towns with their restrictions, it's getting to confineing. I don't like to be confined. I enjoy walking/casting where I want. I don't enjoy walking a half mile to get past never seen bait guys with 4 rods each or 5 surfcasters just standing there BS'ing. I could be casting that water.
So, I guess I'm selfish. I've never liked giving up spots and I see no reason for it. I'll ask again, Why do you wanna give up your go to spots?
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Originally Posted by surfwalker
I hate crowds too. Never fish in them, its not fun.
A big part of the fishing outing is targeting an area that will not have any (or very few) fisherman. Especially those snot slingers (not that theres anything wrong with that).
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Originally Posted by surfwalker
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Thanks for the perspectives guys. You would know it because you have lived it. :HappyWave:
I would like to add a guy who spot burns, probably does it because he doesn't know any better or doesn't have a lot of fishing experience under his belt. He never went to a favorite spot only to find people fishing shoulder to shoulder and having it ruined by all the trash. I know Montauk is crowded, I don't think you really can spot burn it, but saying "Turtle Cove", "The Browns", or "Caswells" is definitely bad because everyone will jump on. Even buring inlets is bad because some guys fish inlets for only one night and quit. If it's hot, and someone writes about it, they will come back night after night, after night. Same thing with bridges. I would never say I fished "X" bridge because then it could be ruined. Thank you for this thread guys!