Cmon gang Pallotto is a force of nature. He may not be as young as he used to be but theres still fire in the belly. Lets give this whatever we can spare. Either write a quick letter or get to that rally. Pallotto doesn't give up easily.
Cmon gang Pallotto is a force of nature. He may not be as young as he used to be but theres still fire in the belly. Lets give this whatever we can spare. Either write a quick letter or get to that rally. Pallotto doesn't give up easily.
I know Pallotto since 1972 was with him the other day and he still has fight. But lets be real the Jetty thing is a double edge sword the Deal home owners association joins forces with a fishing club to save jetty row. Deal hates fisherman, surfers and swimmers. They save the jetties and avoid restoration being pushed on them which allows them to prohibit access and parking like they originally said when DEP left all of the above up to each individual town. The other 2 towns (Locke Harbor and Elberon want to stop access as it's where all the snag and drop goes on in the spring. Many streets there are already no parking. IMO there's a fox in the hen house.
Sorry big guy but whats with the all the debbie downer attitude? This is like a chess game where the kid is playing the grand master. You know the grand master will always have the advantage. I am hoping the kid will win. There is a weird alliance I will agree with you on that. Surf fishermen aligned with homeowners. What choice do we have? I have to work late fri and earliest I can get there is 7pm which it will prob be over by then.
I read all the time on here dark talking you up for all you did for the fishermen. I don't care if peta gets involved or if all the flamers who live in asbury are there it's still people standing in support isn't it?
Why the negativity all of a sudden? It almost seems like you are against people standing up to the DEP. Are you going?
I'll be there just stating facts this has nothing to do with DEP it has to do with towns objecting to a federal replenishment program to stop beach access. We have been tricked many times . Like at the last fluke meeting we all voted against option three which was to be stricken from the vote and they rammed option 3 down our throats without a vote. Deal has hated fisherman since the 70's including taking us to court, and now they are our friends just warning people something isn't right here. I have been fighting these fight for over 40 years, way before all this internet bullsh_t and that has made me wise especially when it comes to government. Most public hearings like the one on the 26th listed with such short notice are after the fact to blow smoke up our as_'s. From what I understand the contracts have already been awarded. By the way in case you don't know the workers doing all the replenishment are from Louisiana. We spoke to a bunch of them when they filled in Manasquan and they told us they will be here for the next 1 to 2 years alternating workers until they fill in Sandy hook to Manasquan Inlet which is a federal program. Not speaking for Joe I think he realized this and called in the media as we have done in the past like redoing the flume.
Want to say I'm negative fine I'm not a rah rah person I always call a spade a shovel and always will. In this day and age everyone is all gung ho on the internet and never show up for meetings and when things go bad they blame the other guy or the commercials. Deal backing the Asbury club sends up red fags as far as a large group of us are concerned. Also if the bass pin bunker against the beach on Friday except for a few of the old timers and the media no one would show at the rally.
I think we are all going for the same thing here. The quandry is we may need to join forces with a group that hates us the homeowners.
finchaser you made some good points but I would ask you in all the battles you have been it was it ever easy? Did the groups that marshalled together always have the same agenda? Politics is a dirty business. I recall the old saying politics makes strange bedfellows. It seems like we are damned if we do and damned if we don't. It seems to me the best course of action is to join forces in support of Joe. If the homeowners jump in for their own personal gain there is nothing that can be done. Considering the alternatives - no access and untouched jetties or full access and sand filled beaches with no life in them - I would choose the no access and untouched jetties option. Those are my .02 for what it is worth.
Just brought this to everyone's attention so we don't bring a knife to a gun fight so to speak
No there never easy but its easier to win when your prepared and not blind sided.
Yes Joe and our group have always fought together win or lose.
Just so you know we are fighting for untouched and access which will be hard because the homeowner are against fisherman more than ever because of the snag and drop pencil popper groups in the Deal to Elborne area. Every spring they've ruined property, blocked streets, parked in drive ways ,desiccated in yards, and left fish racks and garbage everywhere . Very few fishermen attended those access meeting when they banned parking in Elboron on streets like Garfield ,Pullman and others.
Well enough explaining I have better things to do.
Here's the Army Corps report and is what were up against
102 pages, much of which really doesn't adhere to common sense
For those of you who don't know only inlets have jetties, groins are what we call jetties
http://www.nan.usace.army.mil/Portal...1_Feb_2014.pdf
The synopsis:
The recommended plan consists of constructing a 100 ft wide beach berm at an elevation of
+7.3 ft North American Vertical Datum 1988 (NAVD88) (+10 ft Mean Low Water (MLW)) that
includes 2 ft high storm cap designed at an elevation of +9.3 ft NAVD88 (+12 ft MLW).
Approximately 4,450,000 cubic yards (cy) of sand from the Sea Bright Borrow Area (SBBA)
will be used to construct the beach berm. Six existing groins will be modified to allow sediment
to pass through and prevent sediment impoundment. Sixteen existing outfalls will be modified as
a result of the beach berm construction. Renourishment for the Elberon to Loch Arbour Reach
will occur every six years for the remaining 32-year period of analysis at an expected volume of
660,000 cy per renourishment cycle.
FWIW, am I wrong in thinking that "Sediment Impoundment" means to keep in one spot which is a good thing http://files.stripersonline.com/imag...eadscratch.gif
All of this from what I understand has been approved as this is a federal program
Finchaser lays it all out here in black and white......:thumbsup:
Folks, not only do they intend to do this once, but will continue it for the next 32 years!
The projected estimate of doing this for this segment alone, (as I understand it), is $134 million over that period.
A. The key point to be made, is that (Most of) this area needs neither a sea wall, NOR beach replenishment....it is at a higher elevation than others.....this verifiable fact is mentioned nowhere in the ACOE report...
It's also simple logic that if we have another storm the size of Sandy, or even half that, all that replenished sand will be washed away......money spent for nothing as it will not protect the houses. IMO given these facts, a sea wall in the areas that were affected by Sandy, makes the most sense in the long run. Others have suggested this and I agree.
B. "Sediment Impoundment" : Deal Lake is already being filled with sand, as this project, partially covering the Deal Lake flume on the Asbury 8th Ave Jetty.....is starting to impact that breachway. IMO despite the ACOE claims, notching the jetties/groins will not resolve this.....
C. Environmental and Ecosystem Damage:
anyone with basic construction knowledge will remember that the 8th ave jetty served an ecosystem purpose, to allow herring to get in and out of Deal Lake to spawn. The sand remediation will change this by making the level of the beach, higher than the level of the lake....there is no way the herring will ever be able to get into that lake again...solely by playing around with sand levels alone....
I know that most folks are mostly concerned about fishing implications...as am I....but if you take away all the life in the ecosystem....we all suffer long-term as that rich robust environment...clams, mussels, snails, jetty invertebrates, crabs, and small forage and gamefish species that make their home in that area..and migrate through the breachway (herring)...will be severely impacted, and likely never come back to their prior robust health......
**There are times in one's life, when there is a wrong..... pending "down the highway".... that is so poorly thought out, and so mis-conceived....you would feel compelled to fight against it.
This, folks, is one such example. To recap...
1. This will ruin the ecosystem there.
It will likely be the end of the herring spawning there. We are now restricted from fishing herring because the numbers are so low...can we afford to lose another spawning area for the herring?
2. It will cause a vast dead zone/ wasteland, in what is now a rich and unique ecosystem...that previously went untouched for decades....
3. Most importantly, it will not be as effective against major hurricanes and storms as they claim....
It will ruin fishing, for many of us who fish the beaches. At times, we are not able to see the importance of these little battles....I submit to the folks reading this, that it is one of the most significant access battles we are now facing along the NJ Coast.....looking back in time, others will see this....
Drag Island was an important access battle, yet we had to plead and plead for folks just to put their signatures on a simple petition. All of the listed fishing clubs in NJ were contacted, yet few showed support, and got involved.
It seems to be the same here.....
The same few people (and clubs) getting involved, many others sitting on the sidelines.......
**We may lose, or way win....
It's up to you to decide which group you're in.....:thumbsup:
Will you try to send an e-mail, or go to the rally on Fri?
Or will you sit on the sidelines....and let Joe and others do the hard work....and then complain about it, when you finally see the devastating result it will have on NJ fishing opportunities and access, if we do lose?
Thanks for reading...:HappyWave:
Update........
I'm sending out more e-mails today. I don't care if you reply to me or not, not necessary.....though I do thank you all for the kind words in the replies I have been getting from some of ya's....:HappyWave:
We're still asking folks to send those e-mails.....
Even if you just choose one name and send it, it can make a difference. In the e-mails I'm sending to folks out there, I have tried to make it easy....all you have to do is C&P....it won't take more than a few minutes of your time.....thanks for any effort you can provide.....:thumbsup:
Countdown:
7 days Left.......
1. Please try to send those e-mails.....
and when you have done it, sound off in this thread, to give others the incentive....
We have some momentum, but if you care about fishing access we still need your help...
Every e-mail sent can make a difference.
2. Joe Pallotto's rally is tomorrow, Deal Lake Flume house at 5pm. Please show up if you care about access.....every person coming is important....this is your chance to be heard.
Thanks people! :HappyWave:
32 years of replenishment is insane. They might as well put us in jail for 32 years. Never in our lifetimes will the life come back there. We have to fight this gents.
Thanks for keeping this at the top dark. The flume house is at the East end of Deal lake. It is a small structure right where the flume starts. For folks driving there it is right between the 8th ave jetty parking lot and the part where the E end of Deal Lake meets the street. Right on ocean ave. Between the edges of the lake bordered by ocean ave and ocean place. You can park in the Asbury jetty lot or on the street. Be aware of any parking signs or restrictions. Hoping the press will be there we really need to get this out. We must fight this by any means necessary.
You should try to get as many press people as you can. Like the asbury park press john oswald, al ristory, the nj local news. Here is another number for the press.
Brian Donohue "Ledger Live" at the Star ledger.
number is 973-392-1543
email is
Bdonohue@starledger.com
I called it and left a message, e-mail as well. I will be there lets make this thing big!
Thanks surferman I just called him and left a message. Hopefully he will have so many of us calling him that he knows it is not to be missed. Great work guys!
You're all doing a great job. Wish we could get these postive responses and activity on all the fishing web sites.
For anyone going down there tomorrow, these are the directions:
From NNJ:
about an hour or less
From SNJ:
about an hour or less
**Someone suggested that I use 100 Ocean Pl
Loch Arbour, NJ 07711
as the approximate destination for those who are plugging it into your GPS. Just remember that as buckethead said the flume house is on the EAST Side of the lake, less than a few hundred feet from the ocean.
I did a quick phone interview with Joe Pallotto (rally organizer) this morning. He told me there will be a big banner there, at around 4:45 PM or earlier, with the words "Save Jetty Country!! - No Jetty Notching!!"
If you have trouble finding it, just look for the crazy fishermen standing around with serious looks on their faces....:fishing: :HappyWave:....This is a pic of the flume house for anyone who needs further motivation, or directions.
Attachment 18088
Awesome! list of groups so far - Bradley Beach, Berkeley, Shark River and Asbury Park Fishing Club, Clean Ocean Action, Surfers Alliance, Deal Lake Commission and hopefully Rep. Frank Pallone.
I'll be there. Lets keep this at the top!
I copied the information from the minutes of the Town meeting of Allenhurst Feb 11. See everyone tomorrow, Friday
11. Notching jetty. The Borough Engineer has been requested by the DEP to provide a technical report on why the Borough objects to the notching of the jetty. The Board authorized Mr. Avakian to prepare the report.
so whose all going
Looks like y'all have the makings of a good old fashioned protest rally. Press coverage will be key. Think what you will say when they ask you why you are there. I would be there if I didn't live 4 states away. Knock em dead fellas.:kicknuts:
I wont be able to make it but have sent e-mails. I saw that thing about the press and called e-mailed yesterday as well. Good luck gents and thanks for everything.