Facebook Fishing Reports....

With the popularity of facebook I am seeing lots of crazy pics on fishing burning spots. Out at the lighthouse at montauk at night is one thing, but come on posting pics of 30 lb bass caught at debs, jones, or rm beaches and identifying the exact beach? You might as well hold the rod and reel it in for them too!
this can't be good. Where will it end? I don't think there are any moderators on facebook. I have a few spring bay spots that are small and secluded right next to residential areas. Too many people show up and it's game over.
What do you guys think can be done about it?

It's been brought to my attention that there are guys out there with some pretty specific facebook pages.

I'm not talking about the people who post their fish pics, videos, and pics of good times.
Nothing wrong with that.
Facebook has become another extension of our lives.


I'm not on it, just don't have the time for what could become another addictive use of my limited time. But I do see the value in it.

And there are many out there who use it for an extension of their business or social network.
I surely see the value in that. :thumbsup:

There's a member here, SharkHart, who has a facebook page, videos, pics, the whole 9 years. I haven't seen it because I'm not registered on Facebook. I've been told it's a great page, informative, and has some awesome video.,

Some other members here have them as well, some friends in other states document all their catches this way. It becomes sort of a fishing log for them. http://stripersandanglers.com/Forum/...cons/icon3.png

I was wondering about the following things, and issues, in no particular order.....

1. Facebook has no one who moderates fishing reports, so you can be as specific as you like. How is it that some guys are so specific that they list exact street addresses, when and where they caught fish? There's something about that level of specificity that just doesn't seem smart to me.

2. Sharing is caring...is it a good idea to share the jetty or beach where you are getting fish daily, with the whole anonymous world of facebook?

3. What happens when your specific reports, start bringing in crowds to places that really can't handle them? Who should bear responsibility for this?

4. What does it say about someone's self-esteem, that they have to put out daily reports showing exactly where they are catching fish? Do you not realize that these "facebook friends" are not your real friends? How many of them can you call at 3am when your Mom or Dad just died, or you need someone to talk to? How many of them will extend their hand of friendship outside the internet, if you are desperately in need of help with something you are working on?








I ask these questions not to start a fight or trouble with people.
As I mentioned, there are many productive and valuable uses of facebook, and it's a good tool for networking for some folks.

What I'm referring to is the small segment of folks who are bolstering their self-esteem by banging their own drum showing strangers exactly where to catch a fish without doing the work.


All opinions welcome, thanks, folks!

:don't know why:just more people who need the internet to catch a fish

Different generation Dark. Mommy and Daddy gave them everything, half of them never had to work in the summer for minimum wage, and they all think the world revolves around them. You think face is bad you should check out twitter, 10 word blurbs about things that most of us would be embarassed to talk about. The young kids don't look at it that way. Everything is on the internet for the taking. Give away a fishing spot and Mary the HS cheerleader you had the hots for might come and bump uglies with you for one last time - NOT!

If thats the only way you can get attention you are a loser that even being on facebook can't help. Some nice chicks on there, though.:pig:

Ego, baby, ego.:wheeeee:

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Originally Posted by jigfreak

Give away a fishing spot and Mary the HS cheerleader you had the hots for might come and bump uglies with you for one last time - NOT!

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You mean Mary the HS cheerleader won't meet me for a quickie if I tell her where the big bass are? All I have for her is big wood, I guess she's not interested. (And the HS cheerleader I had the hots for was named MaryJane, blonde, petite, perfect breastisis, and a petite butt to die for!) When she did her splits at the games, I would capture a mental pic. She became my fantasy material for the night time, ruined a lot of sheets over her.:pig: But I digress, we are talking about popularity here, and the kings and queens of facebook. How can I get to a place in time where I have 10,000 facebook friends? Does anyone on this site have over 1000 fb friends? Come on fess up!:ROFLMAO

Bababooey I would give anything to be a fly on the wall during your high school years. You could make a sit-com out of it from some of the stories I have read here, lol.

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Originally Posted by bababooey

. (And the HS cheerleader I had the hots for was named MaryJane, blonde, petite, perfect breastisis, and a petite butt to die for!) When she did her splits at the games, I would capture a mental pic. She became my fantasy material for the night time, ruined a lot of sheets over her.:pig:

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TMI dude, and your post is useless without pics.:laugh:

BB, did she look anything like any of these tasty kakes?:drool:

Would love to taste the frosting on all of them.

Thread of the week. More cheerleader pics, please.:heart:

I wanted to let this fade away, but apparently it won't..it's only gonna get worse thanks to these "Facebook Fruit Loops" and their incessant need to feel superior by posting where the fish are....

Here's the latest.... edited so as not to bring even more people up there....

[facebook guys talking freely...
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** report: Got em good. NOBODY on the beach, I had them all to myself. Working today so left around 11:30, stopped in the back, now I know where everyone was.... Report chasers, think ahead of the curve, dont be the top of the bell....

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1. **** nice job , i was out front as well , between me and a friend got 7 up to 19#s all on sp minnows

Reply by **** *******----
2.Never made it there had fish at my first stop on the way. Went 3 for 5 on eels up to 30 inches
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I'm posting the (edited) sections here to show that specific facebook reports can have an effect on the fishing and the enjoyment of all who fish in one area, because people tend to concentrate on the red X, as if that's the only place that will hold fish.

Facts:
1. There is now a night bite, finally.

2. The sandeels have moved in, and some of them are huge.

3. Because of this, you will have some decent fishing if you pay attention to bait, size of bait, and the structure. There is a lot of meaning in the sentence I just typed. Anyone who understands it will be able to get some nice fish. Those who don't, will rush to a spot named on the internet anyway, not paying attention to the key factors, and create a cluster eff of crossed lines and bad feelings among those who are there and want to do their best to catch some fish.

Let's face it, folks, we are all starving for fish this fall...despite what anyone says, this fall fishing from Montauk to NJ has been dismal so far. I've gotten fish to 25#, but had to work my a** off for every one. Losing sleep, walking around like a zombie in the daytime, and generally putting home repair tasks off, all for a chance at some bigger bass. And everytime I think I'm dialed into the pattern, it changes...

We accept that, and deal with it, because that's fishin, and the way it's supposed to be...at least it was in the era I grew up in....







The tool who wrote the report above considers us to be "friends". After today I think that will change, he may not like me too much anymore. (Boo hoo, I'l cry myself to sleep at night....:ROFLMAO).

Believe me, I'll have plenty more specific criticisms to say the next time I run into him on the beach....not that it would do much good here....

The guy above who made this report, and went into way more detail than I have edited..is famous for such internet phrases as...

"Spot burning is not an issue"
"Fish move, we can give locations freely because a report is only good the exact moment it is posted, after that the fish will be gone."

(I have news for you, genius, when sandeels are around, fish do NOT move, they set in for the duration...and leading them to a very specific spot that can hold 20-40 anglers comfortably, and gets insane after that number is reached, is not only irresponsible, but short sighted and incredibly stupid....:beatin:)

Furthermore, this "bright guy" has had the audacity to PM some members here when he didn't like their reports in the past, telling them.."a word to the wise"
It's wise not to bring hundreds of people to a spot that they will not be able to fish effectively, if hundreds of them show up.....those words are wise, too...;)






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Added news, just came in....
Because of this genius, and others on facebook just like him, guys were streaming into 3 tackle shops in Ocean county preparing for road trips North...

What some of these folks don't realize is that these same fish are in the exact area they live in. The reason some of them are not catching is they are not paying precise enough attention to exact forage, structure, and feeding times....some of them have teen bass right under their noses and don't know...all it takes is opening the eyes and brain a little wider to understand that when sandeels are around, they will be evenly distributed in many areas where the water is clean.....:learn:






Lesson learned here...
If you're serious about your fishing, make sure you always have Plan B, C, and D in effect in case you get someplace that is over-run by crowds...

And be careful how much you brag about the fishing. If not, the next day you may share your space with the guy you told, and 500 of his closest friends and family....http://stripersandanglers.com/Forum/...cons/icon3.png


OK, rant over...:cool:

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Originally Posted by DarkSkies

2. The sandeels have moved in, and some of them are huge.

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Word, I snagged some that were 11" last night.

When you post on facebook no one checks the story or edits you unless you are describing how to rob a bank,, and then maybe they would get involved. People should know this and decide how they want to share info based on that. Unfortunately there are people who want to be king of the fishing world there. You will always have that on facebook. All I want out of that site is to check up on some old friends and see what my old girlfriends are up to.:)

IMO people who post about what a great fisherman they are on Facebook are bigger losers than people who chase INTERNET fish and reports from the Fisherman magazine that are a week old.

I always wondered how many people actually realize the reports are a week old and their headed in the wrong direction when the the fish are probably right at their feet.Good one Bob

Pete, it's getting worse every year.



A newbie was out a few weeks ago, had some hot fishing on a rockpile.
Got some good numbers, was proud of his ability and his catching, so he filmed it...

Nothing wrong with that, right? :thumbsup: :fishing:

But, then, ho posted it on the internet,,,for the world to see...
Nothing wrong with that, either, right?
Absolutely not....

What he foolishly did, was turn the camera around more than once, to show the shoreline and the exact jetty he was fishing...

Question:
What's the big deal about that Dark, no one owns access in NJ, shouldn't we all have the right to fish wherever we want?
My Answer:
When you do something like that, showing the exact location, people may not know the reason you caught 27 fish was due to a special set of circumstances, blitz conditions, or an abnormal concentration of bait..

They see that video, and stream to that specific site...resulting in crowds...litter, guys pizzing on the property of private homeowners, and leaving fish racks in the garbage cans of private homeowners......http://stripersandanglers.com/Forum/...ons/icon13.png

Eventually, behavior like this causes us to lose access, and we ALL suffer, for the ego-driven behavior of a selfish few....

I thougt this could be an appeal to the Go-Pro video camera fishermen out there.

I'm asking ya's, politely, to have a sense of reason when you're filming. :thumbsup:
I specifically don't include the yakkers in this, because I feel their videos are more like boating videos, it's harder IMO to burn spots if you're somewhere on the water that the fish move through...

But on the jetties, inlet pockets, and shorelines, there are places that fish hold for weeks at a time...

For anyone who wants to come back at me with that tired argument -
"Dark, get over yourself, fish move, there is no point complaining about spot burning because we all know that fish move from one spot to the next, and quite often"

My response to the above would be that the person uttering that mantra, doesn't have that much surf experience under their belt, or doesn't fish often enough to know how ludicrous that statement really is....:rolleyes:



Example - Monmouth Beach Rocks, Big Monmouth and Little Monmouth....
Now that they don't exist to be useful for fishing anymore, I can talk about them...these little and big jetties were scenes of some of the hottest fishing in NJ, for weeks at a time, for those of us who followed the patterns and kept quiet about it...

I'm not talking about blitz fishing, which was all a lot of self-proclaimed internet sharpies considered when they saw and learned about the fish that were there...but night after night of solid fishing, when I and guys who paid attention, would have consistent double digit catches, of quality fish, teen fish and bigger, up to 40#, on artificials, for weeks at a time.......

For those who want to think about passing along that tired old argument about fish moving,, I would ask you if you knew about this fishery we had, and is now probably gone until the storms uncover the structure again, years from now...think about the above paragraphs before you pass out the dogma on the internet that "fish move". :learn:

Appeal to the GoPro surf fishermen....

1. Please be considerate of others who fish there regularly.
2. Realize that if you are filming footage of fantastic action, there are those who will be motivated to visit that place regularly, for eternity, if you post it on the internet.
3. Realize that if we lose access in those areas, you are directly responsible for the role you played, by posting such videos on the internet.
4. Realize that the places we have to fish from the surf, are dwindling every year. For those not aware of how much access we have lost already, I will go into detail about "lost access" when I get back here and get some time to post again.


Look, people...
No one is against you having a good time out there..
Or catching lots of fish...that's one of the reasons why we're all out there :fishing:
Or sharing your stories with your friends, or strangers,

I get that... sharing fishing stories on the internet is part of the surf fishing experience these days, with many sites devoted to it, and Facebook recently coming into the forefront of many who surf fish.....it's inevitable that we want to share our experiences, or even in some cases, brag a little...I understand that whole dynamic..I get it.....

I also want you folks who are new to this game, to understand that we lose access every year because of selfish behavior....and behavior where you are filming specifically where you are...can contribute to that....

I'm trying to lay it out here, and explain it to ya's, as reasonably and diplomatically as possible, I hope those reading this can understand that,...http://stripersandanglers.com/Forum/...cons/icon3.png

It's all the more important because no one is addressing this particular issue now...
For those who roll their eyes reading this..:rolleyes:.feel free to drink the "Hater-aide", eventually it will taste so bitter that ya might want to stop drinking it....:d

I have friends and people I know who are against this practice of Video spot burning on the internet...many are angry about it, but say "What can you do?"

I'm gonna try to post and some more thoughts in other threads and links to why Surf fishing Access is so important to me and some others....so stay tuned, folks....:HappyWave:

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Originally Posted by DarkSkies

I also want you folks who are new to this game, to understand that we lose access every year because of selfish behavior....and behavior where you are filming specifically where you are...can contribute to that....

I'm trying to lay it out here, and explain it to ya's, as reasonably and diplomatically as possible, I hope those reading this can understand that,...http://stripersandanglers.com/Forum/...cons/icon3.png

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Thank you dark for speaking out. I have not seen any of the videos you are talking about but I have read your threads on access. I rememer that thread on the long island access there was a lot of controversy and eventally you guys won. Keep up the good work, fighting the good fight.:clapping::clapping:

That's admirable but don't you think it's like plugging a leak in a dike?
They were all over island beach this fall. Every few days I would see a new guy trying his gopro out. I bet I'm in some of them videos. And what about Tom Lynch, who took the famous photo of all the guys near the pocket. Would you define that as spot burning too?

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Originally Posted by fishinmission78

That's admirable but don't you think it's like plugging a leak in a dike?

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I have to agree with fishinmission here dark. The crusade is a good idea if it's winnable.:clapping: With all the guys buying and using go-pros, you speaking out against the ones spot burning would seem to be an impossible task, no? I personally don't' thinkk what tom lynch did was spotburning because there are always a million guys there anyway. He was just documenting the madness.

Dark Skies, we did not have these problems when I first started fishing. We caught fish at some areas and didn't catch in others. This was the prime reason that those of us who were successful kept log books. I have seen you and others here prompting the younger folks to do so. Keeping that log should be an essential tool of any surf man or fellow who fishes from a boat. They are equally important.

I have lived through some life changing advances in technology. I can remember going to the doctor and black and white pictures you would get from the xray machines.The size of the machines also. It was intimidating. Now you can go to the doctor and see brilliant color pictures of any part of your body and it is all computerized. Our society has advanced greatly with this newer technology.

Those cameras are not ones I am familiar with, but I have seen some of the younger folks wearing them.

I think as technology changes, we must adapt. We must also not be afraid to speak out when someone is doing something that is going to hurt others. I remember when we all used to catch weakfish by the garbage can full in the 1970s in Delaware Bay. None of us spoke out against it because we thought these fish were there in such numbers that they could never be depleted.

There was a time when I wanted to speak and warn friends of mine who were being greedy,and wasting a lot of fish.
I regret that when I did have a chance to speak up, I did not. I don't know if my disapproval of what I saw would have changed things but at least I would have felt better reporting to you today that I tried. I did not.

You seem to have the energy and determination I had when I was in my 20's and 30's. Many of us do not have that energy today. At my age you learn to conserve the energy you have and hope to live longer by doing so. We still fish but when you take into account how much of your day is taken away fighting for these causes, I wisely back out of most confrontations and only pick the important ones to support. You seem to me to be possessed of unlimited energy. Harness that energy for the good. Do not let anyone intimidate you if what you feel you are doing is right.

Speaking of shame, I feel that concept is absent from society today. The modern folks will do many things that we would have been ashamed of. They are not. I think the idea that someone is doing something that hurts the rights or enjoyment of others should be the subject of shame. Thank you for doing what you are doing and please continue to speak out for those of us who do not have the energy to do so any more.

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Originally Posted by finchaser

IMO people who post about what a great fisherman they are on Facebook are bigger losers than people who chase INTERNET fish and reports from the Fisherman magazine that are a week old.

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:clapping::clapping: Couldn't of said it better myself finchaser. The guys who won spots 1-3 in the Absecon B&T first fish of the year have been fishing illegally all winter. They have been posting about it on facebook, even pics of their winnings. Total a-holes, call themselves the urban anglers. Hope I never run into them out front.

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Originally Posted by finchaser

IMO people who post about what a great fisherman they are on Facebook are bigger losers than people who chase INTERNET fish and reports from the Fisherman magazine that are a week old.

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Originally Posted by surfstix1963

I always wondered how many people actually realize the reports are a week old and their headed in the wrong direction when the the fish are probably right at their feet.Good one Bob

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X2. No one knows how to keep their mouth shut anymore. So you are catching bass at the outflow. Guys do it every year big deal. At least in the past they kept their mouths shut about it. What bothers me is their parents come on and congratulated them. Guess the parents don't know much about fishing that they have been doing it illegally. What happened to keeping things on the QT?

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Originally Posted by buckethead

X2. No one knows how to keep their mouth shut anymore. What happened to keeping things on the QT?

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Everyone wants their 15 minutes of fame. Doesnt matter if they ruin it for the rest of us. You should see the level of posts in the last 3 days. If you were blind and crippled you could find those fish based on the reports. Idiots.

We should start posting pics and faces of the burners. Call it the facebook burners! or the facebook turd burglars.

OK I realize I did post a negative comment before. After last nite I get it now. I'm down with that storminsteve. I'll post up soon. Something should be done to reign in these internet fags. DS if its not ok you can delete.

Someone burns a spot and he is a ***? Get real. If you don't own the land that someone is fishing on how can you be upset about spot burning. Spots belong to everyone and should be shared. my .02:HappyWave:

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Originally Posted by fishinmission78

OK I realize I did post a negative comment before. After last nite I get it now. I'm down with that storminsteve. I'll post up soon. Something should be done to reign in these internet fags. DS if its not ok you can delete.

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I agree wit Storminsteve, something needs to be done, people don't realize they are screwing things up for others big time.

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Originally Posted by bababooey

Someone burns a spot and he is a ***? Get real. If you don't own the land that someone is fishing on how can you be upset about spot burning. Spots belong to everyone and should be shared. my .02:HappyWave:

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I agree with you about 75% of the time on stuff....not this time, :HappyWave:
Telling others where fish are being caught is a no-no, areas can't support the fishing pressure that the new breed of fisherman bring when they hear fish are at an area. First, mugging sucks, second people wreck the places, have no respect for anything. People should keep to them selves and enjoy the fishing.

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Originally Posted by Monty

I agree wit Storminsteve, something needs to be done, people don't realize they are screwing things up for others big time.



I agree with you about 75% of the time on stuff....not this time, :HappyWave:
Telling others where fish are being caught is a no-no, areas can't support the fishing pressure that the new breed of fisherman bring when they hear fish are at an area. First, mugging sucks, second people wreck the places, have no respect for anything. People should keep to them selves and enjoy the fishing.

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I agree 1000% Im so sick of it!! My biggest issue is people wreaking the place by making a GD mess PICK UP AFTER YOURSELVES PEOPLE!!!!!!!!! Its not that hard.. Top many places are a mness with crap..It happens every early spring and each we loose a little more access..Damn shame..I picked up a bag full of garbage last night..

that's why we keep loosing access homeowners and towns getting back at them

I hate the new breed of fishermen and wish they would shut all fishing down. The dillys would then quit fishing along with the meat men who can't catch big fish unless they are on top of a bunker pod. Thin the herds I hope it all gets shut down so we can start again.
This was posted on the net. I feel for you guys up there but with the N Jetty screwed up and half the jetties gone the bays are going to be much more crowded this year. The rivers as well. And yet only 200 people showed up for the save the jetty rally at asbury park. I totally agree with this guy:

"Just got back from one of my RB spots. I knew it would be bad when I pulled into the lot and found 17 other cars there. This was a isolated spot that only a few knew about or would try. Thanks to the internet and report chasers, the beach was a picket fence of spiked rods and the small jetty was overrun like flies on a turd. I have been fishing here 27 years and there used to be only a hand full of guys that would fish this spot. Thanks to the internet now people travel many miles to fish here and every year the spot gets closed down due to the ignorant masses littering, being loud at 3:00 A.M. and pissing all over the place. If you have a spot that hasn't been burned [DONT BE STUPID] The ocean is a big place and there are a lot of fish, But access to the water[ especially productive spots] is being lost every day due to overcrowding and douch***s.
Jim
By the way, I didn't even bother to fish, I had planned on plugging one or two small areas of this spot, but with each angler having 4 or 5 rods out it wasn't worth trying."

You folks are way too lenient. Anyone who burns canal spots on facebook has gotten their tires slashed or buckets of chum spilled on their truck. Posting the pics of the offenders is a lot milder. The most humane way to do it. It's about time for people to take responsibility for their actions.

This is a report but- I am in eight million feuds on Facebook fighting the good fight for guys who think land spots should be posted, nearly all these geniuses say Fish are totally random could be anywhere anytime, which totally makes zero sense why u should post a spot IF that were true, anyway I have a nice flats that has a pinch and a rip and every April full moon it seems to bring hundreds of Bass in with the extra current, last night didn't fail, had an epic type bite on plugs and plastics, mostly small but some were 24 to 29", was concerned about water temps but the fish were very aggressive and striking and fighting hard. Left them biting to see if they were at another spot because I am dumb but curious, have to know sometimes, spot B and C had no fish but they probably should this time of year, so we will shall see about the state of this run.

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Originally Posted by jigfreak

I hate the new breed of fishermen and wish they would shut all fishing down. The dillys would then quit fishing along with the meat men who can't catch big fish unless they are on top of a bunker pod. Thin the herds I hope it all gets shut down so we can start again.

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You must have been fishing for a long time. I feel sad reading that but have talked so some of the old guys at sandy hook and other places who said that too. It's like guys only want to go fishing when they hear the bite is on. And when you talk about the meat men guys like johnny bucktails aren't even fishing now. What has fishing become that they'll only go out when someone tells them to?
I spent 7 hours fishing the other night for 2 stripers. The first 2 hours I got nothing and I wanted to catch so I went out and fished again till I got some hits and fish. I will probably try the ocean this week too even though most of the fish are being caught in the back bays. What happened to the spirit of adventure when you go out fishing? Half the fun is finding them.

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This is a report but- I am in eight million feuds on Facebook fighting the good fight for guys who think land spots should be posted, nearly all these geniuses say Fish are totally random could be anywhere anytime, which totally makes zero sense why u should post a spot IF that were true,

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If they only knew how good nj fishing used to be they might shut their mouths. I fished the ocean this morning and it was a shock to see how much structure we have lost. By the end of the summer it will be one flat featureless coastline except for the inlets and a few sand bars and cuts.