MEAT MEN of New Jersey

The NOAA figures show a decline in stripers caught for the past 3 years. Somewhere on this site dark and finchaser put up a thread that talks about how the 2012 YOY chesapeake figures are the lowest ever. There are a lot of the young crowd in tune with this and starting to release bass. Personally I C&R unless family comes into town and then I keep a few.

What I don't get is how come all the private boats and charters don't see that bass are a finite resource?
There was a thread the other day where a young kid whose dad bought him a $50,000 boat (so lets call him a rich young kid, lol) is limiting out on bass every time out there. If he is so well off why does he need to kill and keep every bass he catches including bonus tag bass. He recently used the excuse that the bass he kills are all eaten and go to the poor and churches in his area. Give me a break if he is catching 8-12 bass every time out what is he doing with them all. Poor people can eat peanut butter. They can eat rice. They can eat pork and beans. Only someone who voted for Obama would use the lame excuse that you have to keep your limit every time out because you can. And then to admit that you are taking too many, and have to give the excess away to the poor?

What is wrong with society where a 17 or 18 year old kid justifies killing every single bass he gets his hands on?
What is wrong with his Dad that he condones this?

Every winter we ***** and moan about all the bass caught off carolina and virginia. We are horrified at all the slaughter.
What about what all the charters and private boats catch in NJ? I am not talking about the boats that take out patrons for their once a year striped bass, there is no reason to criticize those folks, they fish so little they SHOULD take some bass home.
What about the charter that goes out every day, AM and PM trips?
And advertises on every web site out there. Don't they have any responsibility at all as guardians of the striper population? If you or your boat are responsible for harvesting 10-20 big bass a day, shouldn't your conscience bother you just a little bit?

I am going to start posting all the pics of the meat men of NJ and their catches.

Dark you fight for access and rant about the apathy. Well I feel the same way about the dozens of private boats and charters keeping their limit with bonus tags every time.

No disrespect meant dark, but if you delete the thread I will post it again.
If you want to kick me off the site so be it.
I am sick and tired of the hypocrisy and feel something should be said. The world needs to know who the meat men are.

Fisher Price, killing limits of bass including bonus tags 2 times a day

Hookset :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

I didn't renew my Fishermans Magazine subscription because it was depressing seeing all the dead bass.
When is enough enough?

Here is that kid and his boat, killing limits of bass to give to the poor.:kooky:
In his last report he made special mention of how he made sure he got his extra bonus tags, almost did not get them in time.

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Thank you monty. I mean I don't begrudge a person who comes out a few times a year, to catch and eat their limits, including bonus tags. What if you only fish twice a season. Then you should take every last morsel of bass because it has to last you. These other meat men especially the ones above are putting a hammering on the bass every day. The kid takes them home for the poor? What is he trying to tell us that they are like cookies in a factory? Fishing for me this year is the worst it ever has been. I know there are less bass I don't need some scientist from the fisheries service to let me know that. Got some fish to 20 lbs already but it is like finding the pot of gold.

These dudes go out there day after day. In the case of fisher price twice a day.
Catching bass like they are a factory boat. Lots of folks blame the netters but you look at a NJ boat that goes out 2x a day and tally up those numbers during a good season.http://stripersandanglers.com/Forum/...ons/icon13.png

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Originally Posted by hookset

There was a thread the other day where a young kid whose dad bought him a $50,000 boat (so lets call him a rich young kid, lol) is limiting out on bass every time out there. If he is so well off why does he need to kill and keep every bass he catches including bonus tag bass. He recently used the excuse that the bass he kills are all eaten and go to the poor and churches in his area. Poor people can eat peanut butter. They can eat rice. They can eat pork and beans. Only someone who voted for Obama would use the lame excuse that you have to keep your limit every time out because you can. And then to admit that you are taking too many, and have to give the excess away to the poor?

What is wrong with society where a 17 or 18 year old kid justifies killing every single bass he gets his hands on?
What is wrong with his Dad that he condones this?

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Haha quote of the week, Could not agree with you more. Just because you can keep your limit every time does that mean you should?

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Originally Posted by Monty

Hookset :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

I didn't renew my Fishermans Magazine subscription because it was depressing seeing all the dead bass.
When is enough enough?

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I agree. Folks will complain bitterly about the fishermen in the south. I dont see how we are much better. That goes for fishing beyond the 3 mile limit for bass. This happens every season and never seems to change.

They should all get shirts made up with this pic.lol
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Same thing happens at montauk every year when the fish are thick.Only they make 3 trips a day As for the dad buying the kid a 50k boat if he has the money why not? It does sound like a spoiled rich kid tho. Kind of hard to relate to the poor when you are a teenager and your dad buys you everything. my 2 cents

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Originally Posted by hookset

Thank you monty. I mean I don't begrudge a person who comes out a few times a year, to catch and eat their limits, including bonus tags. What if you only fish twice a season. Then you should take every last morsel of bass because it has to last you. These other meat men especially the ones above are putting a hammering on the bass every day.

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Good point I think it is an important distinction. It is hard to tell among a charters fares which ones fish every week and which ones only do it as a yearly trip. The private boat that fishes 5 times a week, and keeps their limit every time, is the one that is doing a lot of harm. I don't understand why you don't do away with bonus tags in NJ.

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Originally Posted by hookset

Here is that kid and his boat, killing limits of bass to give to the poor.:kooky:
In his last report he made special mention of how he made sure he got his extra bonus tags, almost did not get them in time.

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I read that about the bonus tags. The bonus tag system is something you have to report on your catch each time before you are allowed another bonus. How many people do that and just use the tag as an excuse to kill 3 bass every time they are out there. It is a shame that some of the younger fishermen like this kid have no respect for the striper. When there are none left who will feed the poor then?

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Originally Posted by hookset

If he is so well off why does he need to kill and keep every bass he catches including bonus tag bass. He recently used the excuse that the bass he kills are all eaten and go to the poor and churches in his area. Poor people can eat peanut butter. They can eat rice. They can eat pork and beans. Only someone who voted for Obama would use the lame excuse that you have to keep your limit every time out because you can. And then to admit that you are taking too many, and have to give the excess away to the poor?

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Hookset that quote cracks me up, awesome. I agree with basshunter quote of the week!
The poor don't have to eat government cheese.
Let them eat striped bass!:kooky:

If the bonus tags are that much of a problem and causing abuses maybe they should be eliminated.

Then there was the boat lthe renegade. He was out every day last season twice daily trips. He got busted over the 3 mile limit with illegal bass. Said it was his first time. Cmon now.:rolleyes: Nothing wrong with keeping and eating stripers. If you catch your limit every day how big is your freezer?

Lets kill all the bass yee hah


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the tags can't be eliminated or the quota from them goes to the commercial fishery of another state . The only reason we have them is because when we became a game fish state and eliminated all commercial fishing we had to use the quota or loose it to another state so the bonus tag was born. It should have never been given to the head boat and charter boats.

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Originally Posted by Monty

Hookset :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

I didn't renew my Fishermans Magazine subscription because it was depressing seeing all the dead bass.
When is enough enough?

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When they are gone in a few years I never expected it to happen again. It will just be another nail in the recreational fishermans' coffin. Guy's like Johnny bucktail it's all ego and he has a following of his ways, even a guy who posts here or should I say use to post here

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Originally Posted by hookset

Thank you monty. I mean I don't begrudge a person who comes out a few times a year, to catch and eat their limits, including bonus tags. What if you only fish twice a season. Then you should take every last morsel of bass because it has to last you.

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Glad you at least acknowledge that hookset. How would you know which fare on the boat is a one time a year fare, or a regular customer who comes every week. Judge not lest ye be judged.

Bababooey that figures coming from a guy who can only catch fish from his boat. And is so lazy about catching fish you want to be put on the finchaser cell phone chain to find them. How about you find fish on your own for once in youre life? Lazy, lazy:beatin:

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Blame the guys who praise a 16 year old for posting pictures of deckloads stacked with bass.

^^Those are the same guys who don't have a clue what the moratorium was about or how hard it was to catch a bass back then. Most of them have been fishing for less than 20 years and they "know" all there is to know about striped bass. I lived through the moratorium. I remember fishing right before, conditions were the same as today. Someone pointed out the difference that back then there were no limits and today there are. what those people don't realize is that there are more fishing recreationally than ever before. The bulk of the guys praising that kid are clueless and will whine the loudest when there are no bass left. "What happened, where did the bass go it was those damn netters!" No it wasn't the netters it was the clueless meat men who killed them all.

Another lame answer is "if you don't like the law change it" They don't realized the fishing laws are often changed after the damage has been done. Overall rec catches have been declining for 3 years how and there are more recs fishing. How is that possible? Do the math there are less fish. If that was not true more people would be catching more fish. But they are not. Clueless, brain dead meat men. Fill the box because I can. When there are none left I will whine. Give me another Ballantine. :2flip:

fisher price dead bass limits plus bonus tags april 29













More meat pics. Lets kill em all, get those bonus tags while the getting is good.

bucktail 3 man limit april 28 fish for the poor
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Originally Posted by hookset

Clueless, brain dead meat men. Fill the box because I can. When there are none left I will whine. Give me another Ballantine. :2flip:

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Hookset you're a poet and don't even know it.:clapping:
Ya can't teach some folks. The ones who know it all it - isn't even worth it to try.

Those are some big breeders right there. It took them 10-15 years to get that size :(

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Originally Posted by J Barbosa

Blame the guys who praise a 16 year old for posting pictures of deckloads stacked with bass.

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I didn't know he is 16 years old? His dad buys a 16 year old kid a 50,000 dollar boat? And they worrry about the poor? How about at 16 he gets a job and works to give the poor some money. At 16 I was working he can do it too. I don't think he has any concept about what being poor is like or what its like to fish for bass for 3 weeks in a row and only catch a small schoolie. Those were the lean years after 1982. But he wasn't even born yet how could he know that. Someone should try to educate him, like his father.
As for giving fish to the poor, if someone I know wants a bass, I tell them go out there and catch one!
If he cares so much about the poor, maybe he should only catch 2 bass every time, and give up his fish so they could eat them.
Show me a kid who does that and I will :clapping: for him. Otherwise, he getshttp://stripersandanglers.com/Forum/...ons/icon13.pnghttp://stripersandanglers.com/Forum/...ons/icon13.png for being a spoiled arrogant richie rich. I hate that type they think their **** dont stink and don't want to do manual labor because its beneath them.

Thank you for this thread hookset. something needs to be done before it is too late.

The people who only go fishing a few times a year should keep their fish. I think someone else said that too. The guys who go fishing every chance they get, keep their limit every time including the bonus are SELFISH FAT PIGS!!!!!! I don't care who likes it or not you are a greedy gavone and when there are no bass anymore you will have to find something else to stuff your fat disgusting belly.:2flip:

Ridiculous.

Hookset, I thought about the things you said and your reasons behind them. As you have lived and fished through the moratorium I will try to give you a little leeway, but not much.
Please - do not make any character assumptions of anyone. If they are not here to defend themselves I feel very strongly about enforcing that.

I, or you, would want the same courtesy given to me if that were the case for us.

That being said, you and the members here have a constitutionally protected right to share your opinion about what is being caught and kept, and your opinions on the state of the fishery.
I will try to protect your right to voice your opinion within reason, but will not tolerate personal attacks on someone, whether they are members here or not.
Some changes or deletions may eventually be needed in this thread. I have less time to moderate now. We will see where it leads.

As long as you folks can have adult discussions, and stick to the issues at hand, I'll try to keep this thread open, and try to allow you all to express your opinion, as guaranteed in your first Amendment rights......but please keep in mind that I am expecting you to all act like adults.

Along those lines, anything anyone can post
A. about the fishery now,
B. as compared to the moratorium years,
C. or what it was like then, and why you feel comparisons should be made to now.,
are all part of a constructive discussion, and could help to educate the folks out there who do not know....:learn:








Additionally...
1. Please bear in mind that when someone goes on a charter, as has been mentioned here several times, there is no way to determine if they fish once a year, once a month, or once a week.

2. We should all alllow others the same consideration that we would want in return.

3. If you feel these types of action are a problem, please be adult in stating why, or why not.

4. If you can back your opinions with data, that would be very helpful, and in line with promoting an adult discussion.
Thanks, people. :HappyWave:

It's not so much the charters it's the asswipes and the followers that kill for ego that will ruin it for all. I've seen it happen before .The funny part is it's being done by a kid in a boat who sparked it all. Praised and followed by people all using a method that takes absolutely no skill what so ever.:2flip: Guess they will write books and give seminars soon.

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Praised and followed by people all using a method that takes absolutely no skill what so ever.:2flip: Guess they will write books and give seminars soon.

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Killing Bass for Dummies..... Unfortunately there are lots of "dummies" out there....The book would sell like dead Stripers.

I believe the only hope is that the regulations get changed drastically, there is absolutely no hope that the individuals who believe that since they are allowed to kill the bass they have no responsibility in contributing to a healthy bass population. The "No Conscience Generation".

So for a boatload of 6 anglers that means 5 of them got their bonus tags.http://stripersandanglers.com/Forum/...ons/icon13.png I realize what you said about the bonus tags finchaser but if it is all about the bonus tags for most people who go on boats maybe it is better to give it up to another state. There is just too much abuse. Isn't 2 bass enough for the table and freezer. Why do you need 3? If the stripers are over 12 lbs, you catch 3 at 36lbs that is a lot of meat. What if there were bonus tags for tog. Tog are a slow growing fish. How long do people think it would take for the tog to be wiped out if everyone bought an extra one home?

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Originally Posted by hookset

. How is that possible? Do the math there are less fish. If that was not true more people would be catching more fish. But they are not. Clueless, brain dead meat men. Fill the box because I can. When there are none left I will whine. Give me another Ballantine. :2flip:

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Awesome hookset.
Haha meat men, meat men,
what ya gonna do?
what ya gonna do when they come for you!:moon:
New show meat men!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqRW3dS96cU

Like it steve, remember that show when they chase down all the losers. Love that Bad Boys song.

Fast forward to present day they should just focus on all the losers wearing those ghetto pants with their drawers hanging out the back. Makes them real easy to catch that way lol. If you're gonna do something where you have to run from the police why do it in clothes that are falling off you as you run?

The latest meat man pic seen on another site. Didn't know the guy was such a meat man till he posted today. Todays meat trip

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Didn't know the guy was such a meat man till he posted today.

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Folks talk a good story but see how quick some of the c&r guys change their tune when the 40lb bass are here or there is tourney money involved. Greed and ego 2 of the biggest factors. Ever taste cat food? Ever taste a 40 lb bass? about the same.
Disclaimer I do not eat cat food so I can only imagine how bad it tastes.
Big bass are not good eating. Many of them get tossed in dumpsters after the photo op if the day has been hot or sunny.

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more meat

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Big bass are not good eating. Many of them get tossed in dumpsters after the photo op if the day has been hot or sunny.

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amen bucket.

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Big bass are not good eating. Many of them get tossed in dumpsters after the photo op if the day has been hot or sunny.

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It's kind of ironic that in that pic hookset just posted they are now in the garbage can. In the summer when it's hot some will be in dumpsters. Cycle of life?