I am pro not as experienced as some of the oldheads here. Still you hear over and over how the numbers are down. I don't think that necessarily comes from guys sitting on the couch. Seems to be coming from dudes who ARE out there a lot and actually fishing. So JB you make some good points about facebook report chasers. Still, the fall run starts later and later each year. This year when did it really heat up with the bigger stripers for most of NJ, around the first week of november? Not even a Halloween massacre? IDK if you fish the surf that much, surf fishing is most of where I go with the exception of some jaunts on friends boats. Most often if I run into someone on the beach I hear they got a few or maybe 5 or 10. That isn't that great, maybe its just me?