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    ^^ This is a great point, Surf.
    Seems pretty obvious to you, me, and and other guys who have been fishing a long time.....

    But talk to some of the newest guys out there, and they just don't get it....
    On many forums, guys talk about how there are more bass than ever before, and "NO WAY IS THE STRIPED BASS POPULATION DOWN< THE FISHING IS EPIC RIGHT NOW!"

    When people make statements like this, they often aren't looking at the big picture....
    We can have boatloads of forage fish, ton after ton of it swimming happily through the bays and sounds. If there are less fish to eat it, nothing about that will ever change, unless we decide to look at the numbers we harvest every year....







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    Update - the grass shrimp population in many back bay areas in NNJ has exploded in the last 2 weeks. When you hear about guys hammering fish in one area or section, there is always a reason. Since the herring left, the grass shrimp have been a big part of the reason for those numbers of fish being there.

    Although the predators are mostly bluefish, there are also bass, kingfish, and weakfish in the mix as well.
    People who are uninformed talk all the time about how "fish move".

    Well, these fish will not move, as long as the grass shrimp are in that area, or until the water temps go up drastically, causing them to head for deeper water.

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    Are the grass shrimp like this?
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    Monty that thing is huge! I got wood just looking at it. Did that come from around here? If so the biggest shrimp I have ever seen in these parts other than the mantis shrimp.

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    the power of selective editing -

    Quote Originally Posted by storminsteve View Post
    Monty that thing is huge! I got wood just looking at it. Did that come from around here? If so the biggest...I have ever seen in these parts
    storminsteve with the editing I did your post could now double as a reply here or as dialogue on a porn shoot.
    darkskies your knowledge of forage fish is encyclopedic. For this I have to give you credit. Much better are the posts where you sleep in the porta potty though. Far easier to take jabs at you.

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    ^^ I think that must be one of them back-handed compliments.... Gee, thanks....

    It's been said I'm obsessive about forage fish. A friend said I probably had video of different kinds of spearing. (Actually I do )
    If folks paid more attention to the forage, or lack of it, the pieces of the puzzle would come together that much more quickly.

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    Monty that thing is huge! I got wood just looking at it. Did that come from around here? If so the biggest...I have ever seen in these parts
    Quote Originally Posted by bababooey View Post
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    storminsteve with the editing I did your post could now double as a reply here or as dialogue on a porn shoot.
    :
    ^ I think that must be one of them back-handed compliments......
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    Talking about wood is a little freaky. Back on topic. When baitfish are around and in high numbers, we generally catch more, except for when it is weird like cinder worms spawn.

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    Thought it might be a good time to talk about some of the forage fish. There is a cinder worm hatch....there are shrimp in the bays and some inlets the sizes of which haven't been seen in years.......Some in S Jersey have already seen spot
    Just wondered what some of ya's are coming across out there.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monty View Post
    Are the grass shrimp like this?

    monty that's the size of the ones I'm seeing. Where did you get that pic? Was It taken in nj?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ledhead36 View Post
    monty that's the size of the ones I'm seeing. Where did you get that pic? Was It taken in nj?
    I forget where I found the pic, it wasn't from jersey. I think there was a lot of talk about shrimp in Raritan bay going on when I found it. It really impressed storminsteve....
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