Thank you finchaser.
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thank you
Thank you finchaser.
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Your welcome it's great to see some new blood step up to the plate to save these magnificent fish which really has nothing to do with the pier. So my thanks goes out to all the new blood
DS Matty was a Sowul not Dolly's sister Dotti was her sister
Yep the entire group fished for Fluke, blues ,weakfish,bonita,albacore and dusky sharks the rest of the year from the pier. With our 10 to 11 foot rods and 146 or 145 squidders. we could all cast well over a hundred yards out and land just about anthing we hooked except for the huge cow nosed rays that were the size of table tops back then. They were great times.We even live lined moths for bats that lived under the pier but that's another story.
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finchaser, great stories. Thanks for putting them up. Waiting for more.
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I think we need to document that bat fishing story too. Was that before or after ya's spent a few hours in the Blue Dolphin?Originally Posted by finchaser
Your welcome it's great to see some new blood step up to the plate to save these magnificent fish which really has nothing to do with the pier. So my thanks goes out to all the new blood
Sorry, but you and Joe were regular fixtures on that pier, and a part of angling history. Fighting the bunker boats might not be as interesting as the fish stories, but that's part of angling history too. The starting point for it all was the Long Branch fishing pier and the connections you made there.
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I didn't realize the extent of what you guys did until I started investigating after listening to your daily rants. You guys never brag about it, so I'm the new PR guy.I only charge .001c/word, plus one of those magic tins once in awhile when ya can spare em!
DS Matty was a Sowul not Dolly's sister Dotti was her sister
Corrections made, OGB von Grouchy
Thanks. let me know if any more need to be done.
Yep the entire group fished for Fluke, blues ,weakfish,bonita,albacore and dusky sharks the rest of the year from the pier. With our 10 to 11 foot rods and 146 or 145 squidders. we could all cast well over a hundred yards out and land just about anthing we hooked except for the huge cow nosed rays that were the size of table tops back then. They were great times.
We even live lined moths for bats that lived under the pier but that's another story.
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How many people know that he, Joe Melillo, and a few other stubborn old farts were responsible for fighting to get the out of state bunker boats away from our bunker?
JCAA and bunker boats:
http://stripersandanglers.com/Forum/...ead.php?t=5151
Did they do this in a few months? One year?
Hell no, they fought corrupt politicians, apathetic state officials, and the regulatory agencies for 11 years!
Yet I have never heard OGB or Joe Melillo brag about what they and JCAA members such as Tom Fote, Len Fantasia, Ron Sickler, and others did in the past, so that we have a future today!
JCAA history:
http://stripersandanglers.com/Forum/...ead.php?t=5150
While other guys couldn't be bothered, or were content to "let Joe do it", there was a Joe, Ron, Bob, Tom, Len, and a few others from JCAA who, against formidable odds, and apathetic fellow fishermen, wouldn't give up until they gained some ground, marshalled the support of all the fishing clubs in the area, and got restrictions placed on the netters.
What is the significance of this, Dark?
Why are you preaching at us, why should we care what a bunch of grouchy old men did?
Because these guys were directly involved in the growth of the great NJ inshore trophy bass striped fishery we have today by getting those bunker boats removed.
I also ask when you see Fin post about the decline or lack of bass, take his words as gospel. He doesn't exaggerate, and his integrity is solid. This guy, and some others here and in the fishing world, have lived through the moratorium.
Sometimes it feels like he's yelling at me when he relates this stuff to me. That's why I call him a grouchy old bassturd. He has seen the stocks rebuilt. He and other friends of his fought for years to see that dream come true. Now they're declining, and many seem unconcerned.
(Where are the striped bass?)
http://stripersandanglers.com/Forum/...p?t=760&page=6
Can ya blame the guy for bein just a little grouchy?
Since they're not the types to toot their own horns, I chose to do it for them.
I had no idea how hard JCAA folks fought for the great fishery we have now. On the one hand I am dismayed because many guys with boats only know how to catch trophy fish from the bunker schools. Of course, being the sharpie that I am, I would never do this.
A big THANK YOUto finchaser, Melillo, and the JCAA. You guys can't be thanked enough for your efforts. In honor of that I solemnly swear for the rest of 2009, I will make no unkind or pot-stirring remarks about finchaser.
This is truly a great thread. I have lots of memories of going down with my folks to the mansion and the pier. Thank you all for the stories.
finchaser I wouldn't sign any deals with Dark with those terms, he's a sneaky sort. Have you seen the full page rants he posts?
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I didn't realize the extent of what you guys did until I started investigating after listening to your daily rants. You guys never brag about it, so I'm the new PR guy.
He must type like a 1000 words a minute. Even at .001cents a word, you could end up paying him at least $25/day for that public relations gig. Contact me in private, I can offer you better rates than that. We'll talk, (at your favorite fishing spot, if you don't mind me meeting you there
I'm a prefessional at this. If you get any e-mails in the next week from my very famous PR firm, Bababooey, Wecheatem, and Bigg, you will know it's from me.
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Amazing pictures and stories guys, wow! I wish I could have been old enough to see some of that. Finchaser I hope I get a chance to meet you someday. You cant posibly be as grouchy as darkskies says you are, can you? Thanks for sharing!
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long branch early history
Thanks finchaser and dark and all the others. This is one of the best NJ threads. This is what I found on the early history -----
Long Branch
Long Branch, located on the long branch of the Shrewsbury River in Monmouth County, north of Long Beach Island, was also one of the earliest Jersey Shore resorts. According to Gustav Kobbe, Philadelphians were frequenting a local inn as early as 1788. Before the turn of the century, a boardinghouse operated by Herbert and Chandler presented competition for the first summer rentals. [38] By 1840, New Yorkers were coming by steamers (through an inlet, now filled in) that docked along the Shrewsbury River. [39] Steamship transportation made Long Branch (Fig. 12) a competitive destination with Cape May and Saratoga, establishing the future of the quiet Quaker resort that, in 1876, Harper's Monthly Magazine would declare "the great marine suburb of the great metropolis." [40]
Figure 12. Steamboat Landing. Long Branch. Frank Leslie's Illustrated Newspaper. 23 August 1879.
By 1860, Long Branch offered the social schedule and accommodations necessary to attract wealthy celebrities and politicians such as Edwin Booth, Maggie Mitchell, Gen. Winfield Scott, and Mrs. Abraham Lincoln. [41] The city's tradition as a presidential summer resort began in the late 1860s when a group of business and newspaper men bought up beachfront property. After supporting Louis P. Brown in his land-development project, which resulted in the creation of Ocean Avenue, George W. Childs invited President Ulysses S. Grant to experience a Jersey Shore summer. Childs and others pooled their resources to purchase 991 Ocean Avenue for the President and his family, beginning Long Branch's reign as the "summer capital" of the United States. [42] Other presidents followed Grant's example, and Shadow Lawn, the old Elberon Hotel, and an Episcopal church (Fig. 13) near the Takanasses Bridge became known for presidential patronage. The construction of Monmouth Park in 1870 also attracted approval from federal officials. A life-size statue of Grant in front of the track proclaims his fascination with racing.
Figure 13. Church of the Seven Presidents, Long Branch. HABS No. NJ-1083-2.
The combination of presidential prestige and the competitive spirit of Monmouth Park, which tacitly sanctioned gambling, resulted in a burst of popularity for the city during the 1870s-80s. Stimulated by gambling activity, Long Branch opened clubs such as the Pennsylvania, where the lucky could flaunt their winnings in style. A parade of larger-than-life characters flocked to "the Branch," eager to partake of the action and outdo their contemporaries in lavish display.
Here Lillie Langtry kept her private car for an entire summer on a railroad siding adjoining the home of her current protector; there Diamond Jim Brady drove Lillian Russell in an electric coupe brightly illuminated on the interior rather than with headlights, so that all might see and enjoy; and here Josie Mansfield and Ed Stokes admired Col. Jim Fisk and his regiment in their gold braid as they played at drilling on the Bluff Parade Grounds. [43]
Summer visits by subsequent Presidents Rutherford B. Hayes, Benjamin Harrison, James Garfield (who died at his cottage in Elberon after being shot in Washington in 1881), and Chester A. Arthur contributed to Long Branch's status as the premiere American resort of its time (Fig. 14). Completion of the New York and Long Branch Railroad in 1875 brought train loads of both the urban rich and the middle class to the seashore, where they stayed in elaborate Victorian hotels and boardinghouses.
The hotels were titanic masses of wood and fancy ornamentation. . .two or three stories in height and usually a block long. Their porches were furnished with wicker rockers and chairs, shaded from the sun by huge striped awnings in bright colors. [44]Hardly a stick of wood remains from hotels such as the West End, which had a wooden footbridge across Ocean Avenue to a two-story beach pavilion.
Figure 14. Shadow Lawn. Summer Capitol, Long Branch, NJ. Postcard, Sarah Allaback, Ca. 1916.
Along with the visitors came speculators with money to invest, attracted by what was later described as "brave, expensive and perilous" advertising, sold with "elaborate pressure methods." [45] These investors have left more tangible evidence of their times. Promoter Lewis B. Brown made huge profits subdividing oceanfront plots in Elberon, a seaside neighborhood in Long Branch's south end. [46] Actor Oliver Byron built fourteen cottages at Long Branch, and financier Jay Gould built four. Elberon's streets were lined with shingled, turreted Queen Anne mansions. Old postcards show street profiles of Ocean Avenue porches, gables, towers, and awnings facing the sea. The house Solomon R. Guggenheim bought in 1899 on Ocean Avenue was "festooned with fretwork from porch steps to gable peaks." [47] Though Guggenheim's house was torn down in the 1940s, examples of cottages by Charles McKim of McKim, Mead and White, such as the Charles Taylor House, remained through the early 1980s. New York architects Peabody and Steams, designers of the now-demolished Elberon Casino, were also active in the city. Artist Winslow Homer came to Long Branch in the late 1800s, engraving beach scenes (Fig. 15) for Harpers and other popular magazines and painting his famous "Long Branch, New Jersey," depicting women with parasols peeking over the bluffs.
Figure 15. On the Bluff at Long Branch. Winslow Homer. Appleton's Journal. 21 August 1869.
Other evidence of Long Branch at its height can be found inland, mixed with the suburbs and shopping centers that have since surrounded the old business district. In 1905, Murray Guggenheim, son of mining magnate Meyer Guggenheim, hired New York architects Carrere and Hastings to design a palatial residence (Fig. 16). The partners' New York Public Library had gained them a reputation for the kind of civic monumentality Guggenheim must have desired; the Beaux Arts mansion, set amid landscaped grounds at Norwood and Cedar Avenues, resembles a pavilion from the 1893 Chicago World's Fair. The residential design won the architects a gold medal from the New York chapter of the American Institute of Architects. [48] In 1960, the Guggenheim Foundation of New York donated the house to Monmouth College, which now uses it as a library. Also part of Monmouth College is Woodrow Wilson Hall, previously the presidential mansion Shadow Lawn and the set for the movie "Annie." The mansion was built for Hubert Parson, president of Woolworth's, the five-and-dime store chain, and was later used by Woodrow Wilson as a summer residence.
Figure 16. Murray Guggenheim House, Long Branch, HABS No. NJ-1178-1.
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Figure 17. Bathing at Long Branch—"Oh, Ain't it Cold" Every Saturday, August, 1871. Library of Congress.
Today the New Jersey coast, with its endless boardwalks fringed by shooting galleries and fortune-tellers' booths and hamburger and hot-dog stands and salt-water taffy concessions, is solidly in possession of the millions; the millionaires have been good-naturedly elbowed off the scene. Long Branch, even in its prime, was engaged in the unequal struggle of trying to hold back the masses; it was futilely defying its manifest destiny. It could not be, at one and the same time, the great marine suburb of the great metropolis and the snug harbor of the leisure class. [55]
OGB
Anytime I like meeting people, and no I'm not grouchy ask killie
Pay attention to what history has taught us or be prepared to relive it again
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He's worse!
That's great, minimize it. It's in Killie's best interest to say nice things because he thinks he's got 1st dibs on your fishin gear when ya visit the final fishin grounds. He would sell his soul to get his hands on your gear.Anytime I like meeting people
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Wow, This was one of the best threads I read in a while. Thanks Finchaser for sharing the good ole times. I also like to thank finchaser, Joe Melillo, and the JCAA for their hard long fight to get rid of the bunker boats in NJ, and help shape the fishery we have today.
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I used to go there when we would visit my cousins who lived in Long Branch. Some of the stories you guys have here are incredible! I never saw the guys pull a shark in, mostly blues and bass, but I sure would have liked to see that. Thanks for sharing, and Merry Christmas to all you folks.
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His comments are inadmissible as evidence in the Grouchy peoples court.
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Great thread!
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and that's on a slow day.finchaser I wouldn't sign any deals with Dark with those terms, he's a sneaky sort. Have you seen the full page rants he posts?
Nice work you all did here. Today is a lousy day and I felt like wasting some time on the internet. Cool stories.
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Artist Winslow Homer came to Long Branch in the late 1800s, engraving beach scenes (Fig. 15) for Harpers and other popular magazines and painting his famous "Long Branch, New Jersey," depicting women with parasols peeking over the bluffs.
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I don't know about you guys, but I think the babes today are a lot better than the ones back then. You can't even see any flesh in these pics, how did they know if the chick was hot or not?
July 22, 1893
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long branch babes
u never know some of those chicks in dresses cud of been dudes lol.modern chicks rule
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The first girl in the series is my favorite. Got any more?
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nah the last 2 are my hottest. u can do a search too. cmon post up!
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