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    Default More data, striped bass decline artiicle

    I hope you're not ready to give up yet, DS. Here is an article that was just published in the Vineyard Gazete:

    http://www.mvgazette.com/article.php?29887


    ‘Scary’ Decline In Striper Stocks

    By MARK ALAN LOVEWELL
    A drastic decline in striped bass stocks has state and federal officials scrambling to protect the fish, but many recreational fishermen say the government isn’t moving fast enough.

    “It’s really scary,” said Cooper (Coop) Gilkes 3rd, owner of Coop’s Bait and Tackle shop in Edgartown, who has seen the haul from the annual June catch-and-release striper tournament fall dramatically. “At one point we had somewhere between 1,500 and 2,000 fish weighed in on one night. Last year there were 100 and it’s like a staircase going all the way down to last year. It’s just dropped every year.”

    Last year, Mr. Gilkes said the annual springtime sea worm hatch in the Island’s coastal ponds — an event that historically attracts stripers by the hundreds — had “just about failed” after years of under-performance.

    “It’s mind-boggling that we could get to this point with everybody watching,” he said.
    Mr. Gilkes’s experience is supported by national data. In Massachusetts the Division of Marine Fisheries acknowledges that from 2006 to 2010 the catch of small stripers dropped by nearly 75 per cent.

    The Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission (ASMFC) cited a 66 per cent decline in the estimated recreational catch from 2006 to 2009, and in March called for a drastic 40 per cent reduction in striped bass mortality for 2012 to help replenish the ailing spawning stock in the Chesapeake Bay.

    But in an April letter to Massachusetts Division of Marine Fisheries director Paul Diodati, state Sen. James Timilty of Bristol and Norfolk County pushed for a 50 per cent reduction in striper mortality for this year. The move is backed by the fishing advocacy group Stripers Forever.

    As we look ahead to the season we must focus on protecting what is left of the large 2003 class of breeding females and work to avoid another total crash of the striped bass population,” Senator Timilty wrote.

    “It’s a very smart move and why they will not act on it I have no clue,” Mr. Gilkes said in his tackle store on Thursday.

    For fisherman and Striper Wars author **** Russell, Mr. Timilty’s 50 per cent proposal would be a good start, but he isn’t holding his breath.

    “It’s a bureaucracy and it takes time to put things in place,” Mr. Russell said. “I’m glad that the ASMFC has finally woken up to the fact that we need to take some steps to address this but I just think it should happen now instead of postponing it for another year. It’s definitely heading in the direction of [the declines of the 1970s] unless they take some pretty severe measures.”

    In an e-mail to the Gazette this week, Mr. Diodati said he has received some two dozen letters calling for a reduction in the 2011 harvest and that he shares the public’s concern about striped bass. But, he claims, it is not “possible or prudent” to act this year, citing an updated stock assessment due to be completed at the end of the summer that would guide the agency’s policy.

    “Since there is no prior evidence showing that poor juvenile production is a result of excessive fishing mortality or low spawning stock abundance, it makes good sense to review that information prior to taking any management action,” Mr. Diodati wrote.
    He also said the ASMFC could at any point freeze state management programs for several years, potentially keeping Massachusetts catch levels far below reasonable limits indefinitely.

    “The interstate fisheries management program does not reward a state or offer incentives for taking proactive conservative actions,” he wrote.

    The cause for the decline of the stripers is unresolved and hotly contested, but Mr. Diodati cautions that there are material differences between the current crisis and the devastating collapses of the 1970s.

    “Today’s resource condition is much different and better than when striped bass stocks became depleted in the mid- to late-1970s,” he wrote. “Then, catches of large (and small) fish went virtually uncontrolled at the same time that young of the year production was plummeting.”

    Mr. Diodati said that the numbers of reproductively mature fish remains relatively high, even above management goals and insists that the problems in the striper stock are attributable in large part to poor water quality and disease in the Chesapeake where the fish spawn, rather than overfishing along the coast.
    Mr. Gilkes, though, thinks that everyone is responsible for the decline, recreational fishermen included.

    “My own personal opinion is I’d like to see them go back to 36 inches for recreational fishermen and one fish a day,” he said. Currently recreational fishermen are allowed two fish a day with a 28-inch minimum. “I think that’s plenty until they’re back. It’s not being managed right. I know what worked last time when they went to 36 inches and they brought her right back. I was shocked at how fast those fish came back,” Mr. Gilkes said.

    Mr. Russell also advocates the one-fish-a-day limit. Though he acknowledges that water quality in the six-state watershed of the Chesapeake Bay, which reaches far into Pennsylvania and includes Wahington, D.C., and Baltimore, may be affecting the bass, Mr. Russell implicates two other major factors in the stripers’ decline: poaching and the commercial menhaden harvest.

    As the Gazette reported in February, more than 10 tons of illegally gill-netted striped bass were confiscated by Maryland environmental police this winter and a video of hundreds of dead stripers caught as bycatch in North Carolina waters has surfaced on the Internet.


    As for the commercial menhaden fishery — the small fish is a staple of the striper’s diet — Mr. Russell said: “It’s basically one company, Omega Protein,” referring to the Houston-based fish oil supplement and fish meal supplier, the largest of its kind in the world.

    “It’s true that the water quality is not very good but the menhaden abundance according to the AFSMC’s own data has gone down 85 per cent in the last 25 years,” he said. “The numbers are at historic lows and the striped bass are not getting enough to eat.”

    With striper season poised to begin any day, Mr. Gilkes, whose livelihood depends on the recreational fishermen, doesn’t know why the fish have disappeared. All he knows is that he has had enough.

    “I just want them back,” he said as he checked out a customer’s lures on Thursday. “I don’t care how they get them back. There are some very dark clouds forming and I don’t like them.”

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    Default NY Harbor fishing in decline

    I found this on another site. This Capt charters in the NY Harbor area. Some guys say there is no decline, stripers are stronger than ever/ I suppose this guy, and his statistics, are Learn from the past, thats what the posts here basically say, and I agree with them.

    Here is what he said:
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    "I have charters for bass Monday to Friday, 5-9 PM, May 1 to Nov. 10. I have been fishing NY harbor since 1994. By '96, 5 fishermen were averaging 20-30 bass, per night, clam chumming. Right through the summer!! Most fish were 23-27 inches. We would catch a few each week that were over 28 inches, but not many.

    Today,.....same spots,..... we catch 6-8 fish a night. Of those 75% are now over 28 inches. School bass are missing. Ask the guys who fish Little Neck Bay in the spring. They'll tell ya' the schoolies are NOT like they used to be.

    We are KILLING TOO MANY bass!!
    My suggestion? 36 inch minimum size, one fish per person. "

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    Default agree with the slot fish

    I agree with this writer's opinion:


    Though it’s been said to death, we need to conserve the breeding stack with a true slot, possibly as seemingly brutal as throwing back bass between 32 and 40 inches. In a perfect world, that would leave loads of eating fish (24 to 28?) and well-earned tournament trophy fish (over 40 inches).

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    Great points, folks.


    Finchaser and I have been all over the NJ coastline in the last 2 weeks. More bunker than you can imagine.... and no appreciable amounts of bass under them, except for the last 2 days, October 25 and 26....in a few days we'll be into November, the first year in a long time without any notable Fall surf concentrations of bass from NJ to Montauk.






    Some people have called me recently and asked if I could get behind the "Save the bunker" movement, as the bunker numbers are down an estimated 70-80%...

    I say that is certainly troubling....
    but please consider this.....

    If we miraculously quadrupled the amount of bunker tomorrow, putting them back to historic levels, we would still have the same amount of bass in the waters off our East Coast....

    Food for thought, instead of saving the bunker....how about saving the bass.. only keeping 1 instead of your limit each time, self imposing a slot size on ourselves, releasing all fish between 32-38" (the most fecund or most prolific breeders).

    All these above suggestions could help to keep our bass numbers from declining further...while striped bass are not endangered, they are certainly on the decline....if anyone wants to prove otherwise please post up your striped bass fishiing logs from the last 10 years as proof....

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    For many of the newer guys that can't face reality(Not All)what Rich mentioned about Fin fishing for 55 yrs he has seen it all I'm sure he has and he is not on here with constant updates because he enjoys typing he is trying to make everyone aware of the current crisis of bass and you may or may not want to listen or agree I guess thats your choice but my money is on Fin being correct I wish I had 1/4 of this mans experience in fishing.They have seen it they have lived it and they are seeing history repeat itself and trying to make us aware of the end result.As much as I like bass fishing another moratorium may be good for the fish and a valuable learning lesson for others.
    Cranky Old Bassturd.

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    People wanting to save bunker are the snag and drop crew,with no disrespect is really the only way some can get a fish. Bunker have made many fisherman so called bass fisherman and fear without them they won't score. These same people are the ones who helped wipe a breading class of fish. Number don't lie all big fish came from 20 years ago a major YOY and now 2011 anther record spawn that won't be ready for harvest (28") if they survive mother nature until 2019. In the mean time they will continue to wipe out spawning size fish from the last successful class from the early 2000's. Think about it fish have gone from numerous 50,to 40 to 30 now 20's the last big YOY index is almost wiped out. The 2011 YOY will take until 2031 to be a 50, many reading this won't be alive to witness this if it happens at all. The fish are approaching a size that can only chase bunker not eat it. Two days ago a school of bunker was in the surf bunkering as I call it, a perfect day for them no harassment's. The school stretched from Avon to Seaside in some area's so thick you couldn't fish from the beach. Watched anglers boat and beach snag away all they did was kill bunker.

    Think of it as living in a society where there are fewer and fewer children every year until you hardly see any.


    Remember pay attention to the bad things history has taught us or be prepared to live it again.

    Pay attention to what history has taught us or be prepared to relive it again

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    Quote Originally Posted by finchaser View Post
    1. Number don't lie all big fish came from 20 years ago a major YOY and now 2011 anther record spawn that won't be ready for harvest (28") if they survive mother nature until 2019.

    2. In the mean time they will continue to wipe out spawning size fish from the last successful class from the early 2000's. Think about it fish have gone from numerous 50,to 40 to 30 now 20's the last big YOY index is almost wiped out.

    3. The 2011 YOY will take until 2031 to be a 50, many reading this won't be alive to witness this if it happens at all. The fish are approaching a size that can only chase bunker not eat it.

    4. Two days ago a school of bunker was in the surf bunkering as I call it, a perfect day for them no harassment's. The school stretched from Avon to Seaside in some area's so thick you couldn't fish from the beach. Watched anglers boat and beach snag away all they did was kill bunker.

    Think of it as living in a society where there are fewer and fewer children every year until you hardly see any.


    Remember pay attention to the bad things history has taught us or be prepared to live it again.


    Some good points made here. And Fin, as well as many of the old-timers here, have lived through it all.
    People think of some of this as preaching, because many of those folks have been fishing seriously for less than 10 years. At that level you might not notice trends like those we're seeing......

    Thanks all for your continued feedback in this important thread....

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