Results 1 to 20 of 149

Thread: Where are the Striped Bass?

Hybrid View

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    NJ
    Posts
    12,822

    Default Re: Where are the Striped Bass?

    7. One thing that has happened in the last five to six years is people not facing the facts — stripers are in trouble again. Some anglers have lowered their expectations and now refer to as a good day’s fishing a situation that years ago was only a fair to poor outing.

    Newbie anglers simply believe catching a few fish is what is to expect
    .





    8. The Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission (ASMFC) is turning a blind eye to this very serious problem, often siding with commercial interests. In Eddies, a U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service magazine, an article by John Bryan appeared in the Spring 2012 edition about the successful restoration of striped bass. The proof offered is a phone call from an angler fishing Montauk who claimed that the fish were so thick you could almost walk on them. That kind of thinking is just sad. To see the problems, fisheries management needs to look at how few anglers travel to locations like Cape Cod to fish for stripers compared with 10 years ago; or examine how the numbers of stripers entered in the Martha’s Vineyard Derby as well as the sizes of fish have dropped in recent years. The 50-pound benchmark striper is a thing of the past. Sales of nonresident over-sand beach permits has dropped significantly in the last five years as well. Even with cell phones and the Internet broadcasting any action, fishing is generally slow for the average angler. A quote from John Bryan’s article addressing the decline that occurred in the late ’70s states that “over harvesting, especially of spawners, was identified as a major reason for the decline, and strict limitations were put in place.” Why would fisheries managers, who openly admit that harvesting too many spawning females caused the last decline, go out and do the same thing again, allowing anglers to take two fish a day over 28 inches?





    9. I am not using just my fishing success to judge the health of the striper population; I’m getting information from many other anglers that fish a lot harder than I do. I believe charter captains using effective techniques like wire-line trolling or bait anglers fishing in deep water are not true indicators.

    In my opinion, the best barometers are the fly and surf-plug anglers. Fly-fishing is the most difficult way to catch stripers, followed by surf fishing with artificials. In the last six to seven years, say anglers I know who fish using these techniques, fishing is falling off in many New England locations, and in the last three years, it’s gotten worse. Ten years ago, locations in shallow water in late spring in Cape Cod Bay would usually have hundreds of fish each day; now they have 30 to 40 fish, sometimes half that. This is not based on one year but more than five years of checking these locations. Now, if there is a small push of fish one day, the next day is often dead. In the good years when you hit fish, they were usually there for three to four days or longer. In the late 1990s in May, the “bowl” just south of Chatham Lighthouse on Cape Cod might have had a hundred anglers fishing — now it’s mostly empty. Guides I know that specialized in light tackle and fly-fishing for stripers have stopped doing trips or fish for other species.





    10. There is one easy solution to this problem: Stop killing the breeders. Both recreational and commercial fishermen target larger fish because regulations require that practice. A slot limit similar to what the state of Florida has for most of its game fish would stop the killing of females. In the Northeast, only the state of Maine has a slot limit. If stripers were protected from 28 inches to 48 inches, they would have at least eight to 10 years of freedom to spawn. A one-fish-a-day, 22- to 26-inch slot limit would solve this problem, letting anglers keep a fish while saving the fishery. When it comes to fisheries management, Florida is the example we need to follow. Unfortunately, because of commercial interests a slot limit will be a tough sell. Even most six-pack captains would fight any laws that would take away from their business.

    Obviously, the best solution would be to make stripers a game fish. However, I’m afraid the only way we will get game-fish status is if we lose this great game fish one more time.








    Monty thanks for posting this. I think Lou Tabory did a great job of laying it all out there.
    I took the liberty of putting spacing and bullet points in his article to make it easier to digest.

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    NJ
    Posts
    12,822

    Default Re: Where are the Striped Bass?

    &&&

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    NJ
    Posts
    12,822

    Default Re: Where are the Striped Bass?

    The points he makes have been echoed on this and many other bass fishing websites.
    Some think it is all propaganda....

    My position is that if you fish more than 5 days a week and claim the above is all lies, you are really lying to yourself like an ostrich with its head stuck in the sand....

    Many are the stories that have been related by members here of going to Cape Cod in the late 1970's and seeing recs fishing alongside comms, when wheelbarrows were used to carry the staggering amounts of fish off the beach.

    A popular tactic is to " blame the netters" for what is happening today, without admitting that now, in 2013, there are more recreational fishermen fishing for striped bass than ever before.


  4. #4
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    NJ
    Posts
    12,822

    Default Re: Where are the Striped Bass?

    I know some get mad at me when I say this, but there is truth beyond my words...just ask anyone who has been fishing for the last 40 years or more...

    1. The last moratorium was the fault of the Comms, this is indisputable fact....

    2. This Moratorium, if one is necessary, blame will sit squarely on the shoulders of the Recs who told everyone else to "mind their own business" and "If you don't like the limits change the law"

    Most phrases like the above are IMO the product of the society we live in today....a Society where no one wants to take any part of the blame, or responsibility, until it is too late......









    Thanks for bringing this to our attention Monty....any opposing views are welcome and I will defend your right to state them as long as you can back up your views with data.....
    Thanks for reading.....

  5. #5
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Cherry Hill, NJ
    Posts
    837

    Default Re: Where are the Striped Bass?

    Most phrases like the above are IMO the product of the society we live in today....a Society where no one wants to take any part of the blame, or responsibility, until it is too late......


    yep- it's the root of the problem all the way around.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Ocean County,NJ
    Posts
    4,619

    Default Re: Where are the Striped Bass?

    What he^^^ said and IMO on the brink of distruction

    Pay attention to what history has taught us or be prepared to relive it again

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Long Island,N.Y.
    Posts
    2,581

    Default Re: Where are the Striped Bass?

    They are disappearing quickly year after year,they are overfished or should I say over kept by greedy people.They will also be the first ones crying when the Moratorium is put in place again and it will be around far longer this time.
    Cranky Old Bassturd.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    New Jersey
    Posts
    1,272

    Default Re: Where are the Striped Bass?

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkSkies View Post
    7. One thing that has happened in the last five to six years is people not facing the facts ?€” stripers are in trouble again. Some anglers have lowered their expectations and now refer to as a good day?€™s fishing a situation that years ago was only a fair to poor outing.

    Newbie anglers simply believe catching a few fish is what is to expect
    .




    8. The Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission (ASMFC) is turning a blind eye to this very serious problem, often siding with commercial interests. In Eddies, a U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service magazine, an article by John Bryan appeared in the Spring 2012 edition about the successful restoration of striped bass. The proof offered is a phone call from an angler fishing Montauk who claimed that the fish were so thick you could almost walk on them. That kind of thinking is just sad. To see the problems, fisheries management needs to look at how few anglers travel to locations like Cape Cod to fish for stripers compared with 10 years ago; or examine how the numbers of stripers entered in the Martha?€™s Vineyard Derby as well as the sizes of fish have dropped in recent years. The 50-pound benchmark striper is a thing of the past. Sales of nonresident over-sand beach permits has dropped significantly in the last five years as well. Even with cell phones and the Internet broadcasting any action, fishing is generally slow for the average angler. A quote from John Bryan?€™s article addressing the decline that occurred in the late ?€™70s states that ?€œover harvesting, especially of spawners, was identified as a major reason for the decline, and strict limitations were put in place.?€? Why would fisheries managers, who openly admit that harvesting too many spawning females caused the last decline, go out and do the same thing again, allowing anglers to take two fish a day over 28 inches?

    These are two of the key issues we are facing today. Many of the most vocal internet conversations are dominated by fishermen who have not been fishing that long. For them catching 10 bass in a night is epic. This is not representative of the way fishing was 10 years ago. As to what went on at the Cape, I was there several times decades ago when the fishing was fantastic. It was possible for newcomers to pull in 400 to 1000lbs of fish a night. It was that easy. For fishermen who have not experienced this it is hard for them to relate to when fishing was actually good. Now when it is mediocre they call it fantastic and that is just not true.

    Take Island Beach for example. The great sandeel fishery of 2011 was memorable. What some folks fail to recognize is that the fish just weren't there after the spring blitzes. There was a 6 week period when a few fish were caught daily but it was a drip from an ever closing faucet where the flow seemed to be restricted. According to my records the bite did not really start until november. Without that sandeel bite the area shops like betty and nicks,grumpys and dock outfitters would not have had good fall seasons.
    Any analysis of the historical trends is not complete without making comparisons with the drop in numbers that led to the moratorium.

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    NJ
    Posts
    12,822

    Default

    May be using some of these posts to raise awareness. Feel free to C&P if you need to as well.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Ocean County,NJ
    Posts
    4,619

    Default

    Dead

    Pay attention to what history has taught us or be prepared to relive it again

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Long Island,N.Y.
    Posts
    2,581

    Default

    I'm going to say this will probably be one of the worst striper seasons ever recorded
    Cranky Old Bassturd.

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Kearny, NJ
    Posts
    1,435

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by surfstix1963 View Post
    I'm going to say this will probably be one of the worst striper seasons ever recorded
    Its certainly started that way for our holdover bass in the Raritan bay.

  13. #13
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Ocean County,NJ
    Posts
    4,619

    Default

    I agree on bad ^^^ but not even close to the worst in the 80's we fished sometimes all week every night to get one fish

    Pay attention to what history has taught us or be prepared to relive it again

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    NJ
    Posts
    12,822

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by surfstix1963 View Post
    I'm going to say this will probably be one of the worst striper seasons ever recorded
    Quote Originally Posted by finchaser View Post
    I agree on bad ^^^ but not even close to the worst in the 80's we fished sometimes all week every night to get one fish
    The season isn't entirely over yet, but it looks like you people were on the money, with your predictions.

    I would like to say: "Good call!"....but it pains me to see the bass have declined so much....with so few willing to listen, or making other excuses for the poor fishing......

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •