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    t this writing, the statistics for the


    recreational striper catch in 2008 are


    considered preliminary, but the numbers


    are appalling.



    Coastwide, anglers landed (that is, released or killed) 14,107,835


    fish, the worst year since 2000. Along


    the Atlantic coast, some guides had to


    cancel their seasons. Maine was down


    from 1,004,780 fish in 2000 to 518,988


    in 2008; New Hampshire from 213,868


    to 91,433; Massachusetts from 7,563,326


    to 4,001,795; Virginia from 1,357,299 to


    647,542; North Carolina from 293,080


    to 136,699. In a commercial fishery, the


    value of fish increases as they get harder


    to catch, so you may see more fish caught


    as a stock declines.



    Recreational landings,


    on the other hand, tend to follow stock


    abundance; and, in fact, stock assessments


    are based on recreational landings.


    The managers explain the dreadful fishing


    with anecdotal evidence of their own,


    claiming the stripers were just everywhere


    anglers weren’t. One—a decent, competent


    man and a fine scientist—told me


    this: “Reports were that the fish were


    offshore in New York and New Jersey.


    Supposedly the water temperature was a


    bit below average [keeping them south];


    and they had record recreational catches


    down there.” But the preliminary recreational


    stats (which I don’t believe he had


    seen) reveal no such thing.


    Each year, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife


    Service coordinates a cooperative trawling


    expedition for wintering striped bass off


    North Carolina.



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    This is not a population
    survey; it is strictly a tagging operation.
    Still, it’s a good indicator of abundance.
    Since 1990 the best catch was 6,275 fish
    in the year 2000; the worst was 147 in
    2009. The average from 1987 to 2006
    was 2,212, but the average for the last
    three years was 516.

    Even if the anecdotal evidence that
    the fish are just hanging out elsewhere is
    accurate, something is terribly amiss—
    most likely a lack of food in their historic
    range. Grossly malnourished bass showing
    up in ever increasing numbers, especially
    in Chesapeake Bay, which produces 75
    percent of the coastal population, would
    seem to confirm this.

    I have never understood why managers
    think they can minister to a predator
    without taking care of its prey. Eighty percent
    of a wintering striper’s diet by weight
    is (or used to be) Atlantic menhaden. But
    one company—Omega Protein out of
    Reedville, Virginia—has been allowed
    to plunder menhaden to the point that a
    substantial part of the striper population
    is starving. In 2006 ASMFC reluctantly
    established a menhaden harvest cap for
    Chesapeake Bay of 109,020 metric tons—
    ineffective because, since then, landings
    have averaged 30 percent below that.

    A study by the Chesapeake Bay Ecological
    Foundation, ongoing since 2004, has
    found that large, migratory female striped
    bass are remaining in the upper bay all
    winter, further depleting menhaden and
    thereby further stressing resident stripers.
    The big females are there, explains
    foundation president Jim Price, because
    they can’t find menhaden along the coast.
    “Winter is the most critical time in a striper’s
    life cycle because it has to feed heavily
    to develop its gonads,” he says. “But
    many of the fish we see have shrunken
    belies and are emaciated. In summer
    commercial fishermen have to throw out
    maybe ten percent of their bass. The fish
    are in such bad shape that the fillets are
    thin and white, not fit to eat.”

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    Tag-recapture data from spring spawning
    grounds in Maryland and Virginia
    indicate a precipitous and continuing
    drop in striper survival. Fish captured
    in autumn are physiologically indistinguishable
    from fish starved in the lab
    for two months.

    This stress makes them
    vulnerable to mycobacteriosis, a disease
    that causes loss of scales, skin ulcers,
    severe weight loss and lesions on head,
    spleen, kidney, liver, heart and gonads. At
    least 60 percent of the stripers in Chesapeake
    Bay are infected.

    Apparently the plague is being assisted
    by commercial net fishermen who handle
    and release diseased fish, and then handle
    and release healthy shorts (non-legal-sized
    fish). It is moving quickly up the coast,
    and it seems to be transferable to humans,
    at least in the form of “fish-handler’s
    disease,” which manifests itself with
    lymph-node swelling, Lyme-disease-like
    joint stiffness and bacterial infection. As
    I write I’m looking at it on my left thumb.
    Believe me, you don’t want it.
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    ishing guides spew anecdotal information
    like squid ink; but when they all
    are saying the same thing independently,
    even managers need to listen. Two of the
    best and most experienced striper guides
    on the East Coast are Capt. Doug Jowett
    and Capt. David Blinken. Jowett, who has
    the perspective of guiding both in Maine
    and Massachusetts, offers this: “My contacts
    all the way to North Carolina are
    singing the same song—striped-bass fishing
    is in dramatic decline due to poor numbers
    of fish in every year class out there.

    The decline isn’t just a one-year event. The biomass
    and year-class distribution have been
    declining for the past five years. There are
    certainly plenty of ASMFC failures. Seems
    like every fish they touch is or has been in
    serious trouble. Nobody says there aren’t
    any striped bass. We’re saying there’s a
    problem looming for the stock. The system
    allows for fishing the biomass down.”
    And this from Blinken, who guides in
    New York and Massachusetts with forays

    into Rhode Island and Connecticut: “I
    think stripers are in massive decline. I
    saw fewer fish on the flats in 2008 than
    in any of the 17 years I’ve been guiding.
    Montauk (N.Y.) fishing was magical,
    but if you distribute those fish across the
    [migratory] range, that’s not a lot.


    The guys were coming over from Rhode Island
    and Connecticut because there was nothing
    on their side. The year before we were
    all getting a lot of big fish. Typically a
    year or two before the collapse of any
    fishery you get big fish; then it bottoms
    out. It’s like what happened with cod; the
    managers said there were plenty, but the
    inshore guys were seeing fewer and fewer
    fish. Last year was frightening. A good
    day on the flats you used to get 20 bass; in
    2008 a good day was maybe seven.”

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    o what to do? First, the managers need
    to sharply reduce the fishing mortality
    rate, which (because they’ve plugged it into
    a logarithmic equation) they call “F.” But
    convincing ASMFC to do this is a task no
    less challenging than summoning Neptune
    from the deep. Currently F is .31, which
    equates to removal of maybe 27 percent
    of the population. That’s above what the
    managers claim to be the safe target of .30
    but below what they claim to be the danger
    threshold of .34. It’s a tight squeeze, but
    this is how managers think—maximize
    protein extraction.

    Last summer, after implementing a new
    model, they reduced the danger threshold
    from .41, a statement based on their
    highly questionable supposition that there
    are even more fish than they had previously
    imagined. And in February 2009
    half the ASMFC board backed a proposal
    by North Carolina to increase the commercial
    fishery by 25 percent, a measure
    that failed because of a tie vote.
    There isn’t a more reasoned, temperate
    striped-bass advocate than **** Brame,
    the Coastal Conservation Association’s
    Atlantic States Fisheries coordinator. “The
    danger threshold and the target are too
    close,” he submits. “With all the potential
    for error you could be over your threshold
    and not know it. And it’s clear that
    fishing at F .30 does not allow the stock
    to fully recover its age structure. You need
    F at .20 or .25 to get any appreciable
    numbers of those older fish.

    The plan says age structure will be restored to the
    extent practical, which means lowering
    F. However, ASMFC allows a large harvest
    of smaller fish in the producer areas.
    That doesn’t get you there. You can’t kill
    fish twice—when they’re young and when
    they’re old. You’d be surprised how many
    managers want to do this. They want to
    maintain a high population level, which
    implies lowering F, then allow this smorgasbord
    of size and bag-limit slots up and
    down the coast so you can’t see what the
    population’s doing. The striped bass is
    the ASMFC’s crown jewel; and in my
    opinion it’s becoming tarnished. At this
    point they’re not willing to do anything
    about it.


    There are a lot of things we
    don’t understand; and uncertainty calls
    for caution.”
    One source of mortality managers
    don’t factor in is the enormous illegal
    kill fueled by a thriving black market
    that, in turn, is fueled by commercial
    harvest and sale still permitted in Massachusetts,
    Rhode Island, New York,
    Delaware, Maryland, Virginia and North
    Carolina.

    Only on those extremely rare
    occasions when enforcement agencies
    make a major bust does the public begin
    to perceive the problem.

    We got a glimpse in February 2009 when
    five watermen, nabbed by state and federal
    undercover agents in a five-year sting
    operation, pleaded guilty to poaching $2.1
    million worth of striped bass (or something
    like 600,000 fish) from Chesapeake
    Bay and the Potomac River and illegally
    selling the fish to wholesalers with whom
    they conspired to generate phony receipts.
    Many more arrests are expected.
    Hurtful as they are, at least the commercial
    striper fisheries in Maryland and
    Virginia target mostly small, nonmigratory
    males.

    Elsewhere breeding stock is being
    slammed. By far the biggest commercial
    slaughter occurs off Massachusetts,
    where half the population of Atlantic
    striped bass summers. The Massachusetts
    commercial season (by rod-and-reel) is
    perpetuated by Paul Diodati, director of
    the commonwealth’s Division of Marine
    Fisheries, over the objections of anglers
    along the entire coast save about 4,000 in
    Massachusetts who pay only $65 to sell
    bass at least 34 inches in length.

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    hen last I complained about the
    Massachusetts “recremercial”
    striper season, as it is called in striper
    conservation circles (see “Plundering
    Stripers,” FR&R January/February 2007),
    we got a nastygram from one of the most
    articulate, dedicated and effective striper
    activists on the East Coast (“Mort,” I’ll
    call him) blasting me mostly for calling
    Massachusetts “commercial striper fishermen”
    recreational anglers in disguise.

    We’d have run the letter had we not

    published an even angrier, longer screed


    from the Recreational Fishing Alliance,
    which I’d offended by reporting facts
    it didn’t want to know. So I’ll take this
    opportunity to jointly make an important
    point and respond to Mort:
    Dear Mort:


    Even the “real Ted Williams,”
    as I have heard him called to my
    chagrin, didn’t bat 1,000. So I’ll comfort
    myself in the knowledge that you have
    approved of my past striper articles (and,
    in fact, been quoted in most). You might
    have approved of this one too had you
    not missed the central point.

    You are correct
    that those who legally sell stripers in
    Massachusetts are called “commercial
    fishermen.” But I’ll remind you of Abe
    Lincoln’s observation: “If you call a tail
    a leg, how many legs does a dog have?”
    Five? “No. Four. Because calling a tail a
    leg doesn’t make it a leg.” The Massachusetts
    commercial striper season is a
    grotesque charade performed, with few
    if any exceptions, by recreational anglers
    who take advantage of backward management
    by the Massachusetts Division of
    Marine Fisheries.

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    At the stubborn insistence
    of that agency’s director recreational
    anglers can send in their lousy $65 and
    kill off and carry breeding-age females at
    the rate of 30 per day.
    Director Diodati at least gets an “A” for
    honesty. Unlike the recremercial fishermen
    he caters to, he doesn’t pretend the season
    is legitimate. “The commercial [striper]
    fishery,” he writes, “has also changed by
    attracting thousands of non-traditional
    participants who are lured by the thought
    of subsidizing an expensive hobby.”
    In 2008, Massachusetts recremercial
    fishermen reported landing 1,157,814
    pounds of striped bass, 104.5 percent of
    their quota. Of the 3,599 who purchased
    permits only 1,207 reported landing even
    one fish.

    “You know that’s BS,” declares Brad
    Burns of Stripers Forever. “Those other
    2,392 guys didn’t buy their permits just
    to look at them. All they have to do
    is fork over that money, and they can
    legally transport up to 30 big striped
    bass at a time. Instead of requiring tags
    Massachusetts uses the
    honor system. It escapes
    any reasonable thinking
    to imagine that there isn’t
    terrible abuse. On top of
    not wanting to report
    their catch and hitting their quota they
    want to avoid income taxes. Only 102
    [recremercials] reported catching at least
    3,000 pounds of stripers which, at $3 a
    pound, is $9,000 in gross income.”
    Massachusetts Rep. Matt Patrick
    (D-Falmouth) has recently introduced HD
    245, a bill that would ban “commercial
    harvesting and sale of wild striped bass”
    in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts,
    reduce the recreational bag limit from
    two to one fish per day, and impose a
    slot limit between 20 and 26 inches or
    over 40 inches. (While a locked slot limit
    can severely damage weak year classes,
    Patrick tells me he’ll talk to managers and
    keep an open mind about making necessary
    amendments.)

    This desperately needed bill has the recremercials
    shrieking like Sabine virgins.
    “We are deeply concerned about what
    we consider to be the privatization of our
    rights of access to the resources we all
    own and the current trend towards private
    ownership of our fisheries,” proclaims the
    Cape and Islands Inshore Fishermen’s
    Association under the apt site logo of
    a striper inside a red circle and crossed
    out by a red line. “This bill will do little
    more than place 100 percent of the access
    to striped bass in Massachusetts into the
    hands of an elitist group.”

    The association goes on to bemoan possible
    loss of the public’s “right” to walk
    into any fish market and purchase wild
    stripers, this despite the fact that farmraised,
    white-bass-striper hybrids are
    readily available for about the same price
    (an indication that there is little difference
    in flavor), are available all year instead of
    The Massachusetts
    commercial striper season
    is a grotesque charade...


    just summer and contain few of the PCBs
    that have led to health advisories from
    Maine to North Carolina for consumption
    of wild stripers. Men and boys aren’t
    supposed to eat wild striped bass more
    than once a month; and young girls and
    women who are pregnant or may get that
    way should consider never eating them.


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    Why do commercial fishermen, recreational
    anglers pretending to be
    commercial fishermen and their state
    and ASMFC facilitators and apologists
    imagine that people who don’t fish have
    a “right” to eat wild stripers? If such a
    right exists, should not the general public
    also be able to purchase wild black bass,
    wild brook trout, wild Atlantic salmon,
    wild deer, wild moose, wild ducks, wild
    doves, wild turkeys, wild woodcock and
    wild grouse?

    Virtually no species of commercially
    harvested fish is in good shape, stripers
    included. Commercial striper harvest
    doesn’t make sense morally, biologically
    or economically.

    But all efforts in the U.S.
    Congress to make striped bass a gamefish
    get shouted down by commercial interests.

    It’s hardly a radical notion; 6 of the
    12 states under ASMFC management
    have already done it.
    Director Diodati of the Massachusetts
    Division of Marine Fisheries avers that
    Rep. Patrick’s bill hasn’t got a chance, and
    maybe he’s right. But when, echoing his
    fellow managers coastwide, he assures all
    hands that the stock of America’s most
    important marine gamefish “continues
    to look good,” maybe—in fact, probably—
    he’s wrong.

    In any case, I can’t help
    recalling the record of his and other state
    agencies in the days when Congress used
    to let them set their own standards for
    striper management. And I can’t help
    recalling the famous defense uttered by
    Chico Marx in the face of both anecdotal
    and prima facie evidence: “Who you
    gonna believe, me or your own eyes?”

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    Quote Originally Posted by plugginpete View Post
    This is not a population

    survey; it is strictly a tagging operation.
    Still, it’s a good indicator of abundance.
    Since 1990 the best catch was 6,275 fish
    in the year 2000; the worst was 147 in
    2009. The average from 1987 to 2006
    was 2,212, but the average for the last
    three years was 516.

    Even if the anecdotal evidence that
    the fish are just hanging out elsewhere is
    accurate, something is terribly amiss—
    most likely a lack of food in their historic
    range. Grossly malnourished bass showing
    up in ever increasing numbers, especially
    in Chesapeake Bay, which produces 75
    percent of the coastal population, would
    seem to confirm this.

    I have never understood why managers
    think they can minister to a predator
    without taking care of its prey.



    Wow, sobering figures, even if they're only from one area of North Carolina.

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    The bottom line is that the menhadden are being slaughtered to make fish oil capsules. Without prey fish, stripers will soon be a rarity, once again. What a shame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mick2360 View Post
    The bottom line is that the menhadden are being slaughtered to make fish oil capsules. Without prey fish, stripers will soon be a rarity, once again. What a shame.
    There are more bunker around than there have been in years ,we were out yesterday and saw bunker schools that ran for miles. some of these schools were top to bottom in 60 feet of water on the recorder. There biggest threat was dolphins.

    One of the main problems is in Virginia and NC they net big fish all winter. The real shame is when the fish start to migrate, the snag and drop guys are there to greet them killing the big breeders to fill ego's. Lagoons and dumpsters are full of big dead whole fish that are discarded. Most people don't have coolers big enough to keep them fresh so they are dumped over board at the dock after the photo shoot. Many marinas, do to this, do not allow carcasses of any kind to to be thrown in the water any longer.
    The amount of bass around could never eat the amount of bunker that are around.

    The massacre of big fish each spring now is far worse than prior to the collapse just before the moratoriums went into effect. Just do to the amount of so called anglers and things like bonus tags for 28" fish things are going down hill fast.

    So if bass become a rarity again it will be do to man not the lack of bunker for food ,and lets not forget the sand eel explosion the last 2 years. The main reason the blue fish are not really on the bunker schools. There is plenty of food around for bass to eat were just killing them faster than they can reproduce. the big fish that are being killed today are from the moratorium breeding years

    Pay attention to what history has taught us or be prepared to relive it again

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    Quote Originally Posted by finchaser View Post
    One of the main problems is in Virginia and NC they net big fish all winter. The real shame is when the fish start to migrate, the snag and drop guys are there to greet them killing the big breeders to fill ego's. Lagoons and dumpsters are full of big dead whole fish that are discarded. Most people don't have coolers big enough to keep them fresh so they are dumped over board at the dock after the photo shoot. Many marinas, do to this, do not allow carcasses of any kind to to be thrown in the water any longer.

    The massacre of big fish each spring now is far worse than prior to the collapse just before the moratoriums went into effect. Just do to the amount of so called anglers and things like bonus tags for 28" fish things are going down hill fast.


    There is plenty of food around for bass to eat were just killing them faster than they can reproduce. the big fish that are being killed today are from the moritoium breeding years

    Great points, finchaser.

    Whenever I have a large problem looming in front of me, I always try to solve it by taking it one step at a time. If so many guys say they are concerned about the future of bass, how many would be in agreement in entirely eliminating the 28" bonus bass tags? It wouldn't be much, but at least it would be a start.

    Is there anyone here who might know who to talk to, or how to get this organized, to see if we have a consensus of support to begin this process?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkSkies View Post
    Great points, finchaser.

    , how many would be in agreement in entirely eliminating the 28" bonus bass tags? It wouldn't be much, but at least it would be a start.
    I think you guys in Jersey are wack to begin with, How the sportsmen didn't fight to have that 28" bonus tag struck down I'll never know. We have to put up with one bass at 28" and one over 40", which means that most guys only keep one bass unless they're on a charter boat. So why can't that be the limit coastwide, one at 28" and one at 40", no bonus tags even for charters? And the charters should all be required to follow the same regs, no extra becasue they have a boat. I think the most distasteful thing to me as a sportsman is that I have to follow the regs for my state, while other states have different regs, as finchaser said. It really should be uniform, maybe then we can all rally together and feel like we're actually making some progress. My .02.

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    I picked up some interesting stats sifting through that-


    1.Two of the best and most experienced striper guides on the East Coast are Capt. Doug Jowett and Capt. David Blinken. Jowett, who has the perspective of guiding both in Maine and Massachusetts, offers this: “My contacts all the way to North Carolina are singing the same song—striped-bass fishing is in dramatic decline due to poor numbers
    of fish in every year class out there.

    The decline isn’t just a one-year event. The biomass and year-class distribution have been declining for the past five years.

    2. And this from Blinken, who guides in New York and Massachusetts with forays into Rhode Island and Connecticut: “I think stripers are in massive decline. I saw fewer fish on the flats in 2008 than in any of the 17 years I’ve been guiding. Montauk (N.Y.) fishing was magical, but if you distribute those fish across the [migratory] range, that’s not a lot.

    3.
    A:First, the managers need to sharply reduce the fishing mortality
    rate, which (because they’ve plugged it into a logarithmic equation) they call “F.” But convincing ASMFC to do this is a task no less challenging than summoning Neptune from the deep. Currently F is .31, which
    equates to removal of maybe 27 percent of the population. That’s above what the managers claim to be the safe target of .30 but below what they claim to be the danger threshold of .34. It’s a tight squeeze, but
    this is how managers think—maximize protein extraction.

    This shows that the ASMFC is not managing for the future, they are managing for yield.

    B:However, ASMFC allows a large harvest of smaller fish in the producer areas. That doesn’t get you there. You can’t kill fish twice—when they’re young and when they’re old. You’d be surprised how many
    managers want to do this. They want to maintain a high population level, which implies lowering F, then allow this smorgasbord of size and bag-limit slots up and down the coast so you can’t see what the population’s doing.


    4. By far the biggest commercial slaughter occurs off Massachusetts,
    where half the population of Atlantic striped bass summers.

    At the stubborn insistence of that agency’s director recreational
    anglers can send in their lousy $65 and kill off and carry breeding-age females at the rate of 30 per day....“The commercial [striper] fishery,” he writes, “has also changed by attracting thousands of non-traditional
    participants who are lured by the thought of subsidizing an expensive hobby.”...All they have to do is fork over that money, and they can
    legally transport up to 30 big striped bass at a time. Instead of requiring tags Massachusetts uses the honor system. It escapes any reasonable thinking to imagine that there isn’t terrible abuse. On top of not wanting to report their catch and hitting their quota they want to avoid income taxes. Only 102 [recremercials] reported catching at least 3,000 pounds of stripers which, at $3 a pound, is $9,000 in gross income.”

    (Only 102 out or 3000 registered commercial anglers reported catching at least 3000lbs of stripers? What about the other 2898? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that some of these guys are underreporting their catches.)


    Eye opening.






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    Default eliminating the striped bass bonus tags

    I'm in, like stripercrazy said tho, as long as it applies to everybody I'm good with it.

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    I'm in too, eliminate the bonus tags, and maybe go back to a slot limit. finchaser, would a slot limit work to bring the numbers back up, in your opinion? why or why not?

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    I don't think this will ever be resolved until we're all on the same page. Finchaser you talked about the winter commercial fishery down south. Any ideas how that will or can be modified? The commercial lobby is strong. I don't see how you can or will defeat it. I think concessions are reasonable and will have to be made by the commercials if they want to survive, but as to the possibility of ever shutting it down? I think you have a better chance of brokering peace with the Arabs and Jews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stripercrazy View Post
    I think you guys in Jersey are wack to begin with, How the sportsmen didn't fight to have that 28" bonus tag struck down I'll never know. We have to put up with one bass at 28" and one over 40", which means that most guys only keep one bass unless they're on a charter boat. So why can't that be the limit coastwide, one at 28" and one at 40", no bonus tags even for charters? And the charters should all be required to follow the same regs, no extra becasue they have a boat. I think the most distasteful thing to me as a sportsman is that I have to follow the regs for my state, while other states have different regs, as finchaser said. It really should be uniform, maybe then we can all rally together and feel like we're actually making some progress. My .02.
    Couldn't agree more protects the most prolific breeders

    Pay attention to what history has taught us or be prepared to relive it again

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    bonus tags are bogus they just let the guys with the boats cheat when ever they want

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    Quote Originally Posted by bababooey View Post
    I picked up some interesting stats sifting through that-




    4. By far the biggest commercial slaughter occurs off Massachusetts,
    where half the population of Atlantic striped bass summers.

    At the stubborn insistence of that agency’s director recreational
    anglers can send in their lousy $65 and kill off and carry breeding-age females at the rate of 30 per day....“The commercial [striper] fishery,” he writes, “has also changed by attracting thousands of non-traditional
    participants who are lured by the thought of subsidizing an expensive hobby.”...All they have to do is fork over that money, and they can
    legally transport up to 30 big striped bass at a time. Instead of requiring tags Massachusetts uses the honor system. It escapes any reasonable thinking to imagine that there isn’t terrible abuse. On top of not wanting to report their catch and hitting their quota they want to avoid income taxes. Only 102 [recremercials] reported catching at least 3,000 pounds of stripers which, at $3 a pound, is $9,000 in gross income.”

    (Only 102 out or 3000 registered commercial anglers reported catching at least 3000lbs of stripers? What about the other 2898? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that some of these guys are underreporting their catches.)


    Eye opening.






    I always thought this was just ridiculous. I think they called it spot on, it is a way for some hard-core fishermen to subsidize a hobby. How can you ensure those 3000 guys will all follow the honor system? There is no way to do that, it's impossible to expect accurate reporting from more than a small percentage.

    This would be like if we let all the senators and representatives vote on their own personal pay increases in Congress. Oh, I forgot, we already do that. And do you see how high the budget is in Congress? Same principle, there can't be more than a smattering of honesty among the 3000 reporting their catches. It's human nature.

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    ok I like the uniform size limits for the whole coast. How in the world could this even be a possibility? It seems like each state has their political committees and lobbyists that say how big they want the size limit to be, and the ASMMC takes that into consideration?

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