Yep Rich they can be swam and gently popped or popped like you would a normal popper when blues are the target I let it land get the slack out and pop it viciously a couple times swim it a bit and they usually slam it right after 2 or 3 good pops pencils are good they work if you can work them, they tend to miss alot of fish though IMO unless you keep a treble on the rear.