Flowers that Say When Fish are Here......

[finchaser]

Once a googan always a googan

[hookset]

Once a googan always a googan

DS your reputation precedes you where ever you go.

[DarkSkies]

Once a googan always a googan

DS your reputation precedes you where ever you go.

Pffft.....the old grouchy basstid can't make up his mind....one day I'm a goog, the next day I'm a dillydock.....he should just pick one name for me, and stick with it.....

[Monty]

Pffft.....the old grouchy basstid can't make up his mind....one day I'm a goog, the next day I'm a dillydock.....he should just pick one name for me, and stick with it.....

dilly-goog-dock?

[storminsteve]

Dark, you're slipping. You forgot when he called you a ben goog and a shoobie goog.
http://stripersandanglers.com/Forum/...ctionary/page4

[finchaser]

Dark, you're slipping. You forgot when he called you a ben goog and a shoobie goog.
http://stripersandanglers.com/Forum/...ctionary/page4

your right those are his true names and he still hasn't picked one although dilly goog fits him to the tee I think we should go with that

[DarkSkies]

^^ Gosh darn....just can't get any respect around here.....Eff ya's all.....
Thanks for the laughs....







I was just looking at those flowers again today....they're in full bloom...a few bass are being caught, but the numbers and sizes are just not there.....and despite the hype from some of the Charters (who are primarily fishing the Rips), they're not catching that many from the sand and rocks at Montauk either....
Think of the "M&M bowl" example that is often mentioned here and elsewhere......there are always fish in the middle of the bowl....but on the sides....not so much......sorry to seem so negative, but that's what I'm seeing........

[buckethead]

Think of the "M&M bowl" example that is often mentioned here and elsewhere......there are always fish in the middle of the bowl....but on the sides....not so much......sorry to seem so negative, but that's what I'm seeing........

No need for apologies, dark. The fishing is what it is. The thing that's hard for folks to relate to is they read stories about who's crushing them and who isn't on the head boats and charters. Based on those reports they assume the healthy status of the bass. I don't know if every one has heard about the m&m analogy or not. Without that explanation it may be hard for them to understand.
Here it is-
http://stripersandanglers.com/Forum/...ped-Bass/page3

[seamonkey]

Anyone think it will be different this year? I had crocuses in my yard 2 weeks ago but there were no fish around. Other flowers that you guage it by?

[dogfish]

When I used to visit jersey I think it was the yellow daffodils that signaled the bass being around. Here it's around the first of may for the real bass though you can get some in the rivers on a mild winter. Dogwoods or lilacs are a better indicator the more north you go.

[williehookem]

What are the flowers for fall bass?

[DarkSkies]

Exceptions??
For the last 2 years, these flowers bloomed, and the bass just weren't there in numbers....

I know folks have gotten a sense of my disappointment..."Hey if you want numbers of fish, dark, go to Montauk right now".
Yeah, I understand that...

The grouchy basstard inside of me is not looking to ruin everyone's enjoyment....but as I fish more than most anglers, I have to put it out there, that the numbers of bass we are used to seeing at this time, in NJ. are just not here....

these are the flowers....no internet needed, I could just time my trips by when these bloomed....

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And for the last 2 years, they have let me down.....
Another reason for me to raise the issue to you folks, that there is a real possibilty of there being less bass around overall......

I know this subject irritates some, and others don't want to talk about it,....but the reality is supported by lesser catches, and lesser chances of action, here in NJ for the Fall....

We are now waiting on the Migratory fish for sustained Fall action in NJ...and I'm telling ya's it didn't use to be that way... just 6 short years ago fishing was exceptional...and 10 years ago even better than that.....
I wish folks who talk about the "Epic" fishing they see right now, had those 6-10 years back into the past, as a framework, for what Epic really used to mean...




Food for thought, folks......

I wanted to re-visit this post....made back in 2012.....
I noted that this year, again, my flowers were dead, past bloom, when numbers of bass became available to most of the surf guys.....
We did have a large wave of migratory bass that hit NNJ around Oct 3..some large fish in the 20-40# class were caught by boaters....

That wave was fast moving and following bunker.....within a few days it was far South...and now is part of the fish they are seeing in the Delaware Bay....
Some other migratory fish have since hit our area...documented here...
http://stripersandanglers.com/Forum/...tion-for-NJ-NY







But the bite of resident fish, that these flowers always were guaranteed to tell....has been off...since 2012...where I am fishing......


Any other thoughts...feel free......

[buckethead]

I agree. Many of the resident fish in monmouth county and upper ocean county have disappeared. There is no rhyme or reason for it. Plenty of bait. I saw acres of bait this morning with nothing on it.

[finchaser]

This has worked since I was a kid as the temperature needed to make the flowers bloom usually causes the water to rise to each species liking causing the larger schools arrive

Tulips - arrival of winter flounder
Dogwood - arrival of Striped Bass
Lilac - weakfish are in town
Dandelions- Blackfish come inshore
Forsythia - bluefish and fluke are on the move

September's full harvest moon has a tremendous effect on both weakfish and striped bass which take it as a sign to start their annual southern migration. During this lunar period juvenile species of both predator and prey are driven outward along the shoreline.

[clamchucker]

this is the one I copied down from the person who taught me to fish 48 years ago

Tulips ? arrival of winter flounder
Dogwood ? arrival of striped bass
Lilac ? weakfish are in town
Forsythia ? bluefish and fluke are on the move
September?s full harvest moon has a tremendous effect on both weakfish and striped bass which take it as a sign to start their annual southern migration. During this lunar period juvenile species of both predator and prey are driven outward along the shoreline.

Wind from the North, fish come forth
Wind from the South, fish shut there mouth
Wind from the East, fish come to feast
Wind from the West, fishing is the best

The dogwoods and forsythia are just starting to bud. Good rule of thumb you posted here finchaser