Obama after Sandy Hook Elementary: "we must change"

[Monty]

I have also thought about getting a gun to protect my family. The past 5 years I have given it serious thought and may still try to legally get one. If I had a gun and someone was breaking into my house I would blast away. And maybe (hopefully) hit him.
But I just do not see the reason for these semi-automatic guns with 30 or so bullets in them that can be shot in less than 1/2 a minute.
So many extremes in this country, No guns vs the right for any type of gun. There is a reasonable middle.
Also on being allowed to purchase a gun, people bitching about having to wait a certain period of time for background checks. From what I have heard the last few days there are lots of people who just don't give a **** who has a gun as long as they can buy one when ever they want one. And people bitching about regulation.
That mortgage deregulation a few years ago didn't show how good we can handle non-regulated things that need to be regulated.
There are some things that need to be regulated, not going crazy here, but in my opinion I do not think the gun used in these killings should be available to citizens in this country. Yes it was a deranged monster who did this, got his hands on guns his mother should have had locked up. But she more than likely purchased that gun legally. Does anyone know if this gun used in these killings would have been legal before the assault weapons ban expired? Yes guns don't kill people, people do. Some people should not be near guns. And some guns that can cause mass killings like this should not be available....If so for what?
This country has veered off track. Greed, I don't give a **** about you as long as I'm happy this second attitude.
Somethings (MANY) have to change or I fear things will continue to worsen. I think there are going to be a lot more screwed up young adults the next few years with mental problems and the sense of entitlement, things don't look good.

[DarkSkies]

On the other hand...I saw first hand how things quickly turned to lawnessness during the hurricane.....
There were neighborhoods where the police couldn't get to, and looting was rampant......

As recently as 2 weeks ago, one of Fin's friends was stopped and interrogated in his boat because he was moving it from one place to another....but during the storm, and for many weeks after, looters ran wild over many neighborhoods at night.......

We saw a few signs where the homeowners advertised they were inside, and armed.....
I wish everyone had the chance to see that.......

I think somewhere along the way, someone will make the argument for banning automatic assault rifles.....
But as Jon sad, where do you go from there?

Do you ban 9mm handguns?
Because no matter what...the criminals will still be able to buy them.......

I, as a homeowner, still want the option to buy a 9mm handgun, if I want to, to defend my family......

[DarkSkies]

OK DS ban me from the site I don't care

Can't ban ya for expressing your legally protected rights to free speech.....it's in the Constitution, ya know....
I would ban someone from attacking others in a malicious or libelous way, and I have.....
You haven't even come close to breaching those parameters.....yet....... (Although your grouchy rants are legendary...)






IMO if only the criminals and police can own them...the crimes will become more unspeakable....

There was a case I read about a year or so ago,,,,,
It may be on here, don't have time to search...






A guy and his girlfriend were brutally robbed, beaten, and she was raped while they made him watch......
although that was an extreme case, you never know when you could be in that situation....I'm certain this guy and his girlfriend never imagined they could be in such a situation either......






I agree with what you and others said Fin.....
To take away our ability to protect ourselves, from the animals who masquerade as people....is wrong, and against the Constitution.....

If you do a search, you will find there are some towns in the South (Texas has one of them, I believe)

Where there is a very high % of gun ownership...and less crime than in other areas......in those areas folks are permitted to shoot to kill....and when you are threatening someone's life or liberty, or the safety of their family.....I believe you deserve to be shot...


Again, these are just my thoughts,,,,,
But with all the animals out there....there is no way the Gov't is going to protect me from every possible circumstance... getting rid of all guns will just make us less safe as individuals....
I therefore feel we have a right to arm ourselves, should that time ever happen when we are placed in grave danger as explained above.

[Monty]

I therefore feel we have a right to arm ourselves, should that time ever happen when we are placed in grave danger as explained above.

Totally agree, 110%.

I don't understand the statement,

I think somewhere along the way, someone will make the argument for banning automatic assault rifles.....
But as Jon sad, where do you go from there?

You ban the automatic assault rifles. You don't ban the pistols and hunting guns. You ban the guns that really do not have a place in society. In a civilized country.

[jonthepain]

well put, Rich.

and btw, automatic weapons have been unlawful for civilians to own since the 1934 National Firearms Act.

[Monty]

well put, Rich.

and btw, automatic weapons have been unlawful for civilians to own since the 1934 National Firearms Act.

I meant semi-automatic guns like the one used in the killings. Guns that can unload lots of bullets in a short time.

[hookset]

The fallout is already being felt - from yahoo.com


At the same time, private equity company Cerberus Capital Management reported that it's selling off its entire investment in Bushmaster and returning any profit made to investors. Cerberus bought Bushmaster in 2006, then merged it with additional gun companies to create Freedom Group, which reported net sales of $677 million for the first nine months of 2012, up $112 million from 2011. In a statement, Cerberus said, "It is not our role to take positions, or attempt to shape or influence the gun control policy debate. That is the job of our federal and state legislators. There are, however, actions that we as a firm can take."
****'s Sporting Goods (DKS) -- which boasts 500 stores in 44 states -- has, for now, removed display of all guns nearest its Newtown store and also ceased the sale of modern sporting rifles in all stores. In a statement on its Web site, ****'s says, "Out of respect for the victims and their families, during this time of national mourning we have removed all guns from sale and from display in our store nearest to Newtown and suspended the sale of modern sporting rifles in all of our stores chainwide."
Interestingly, some reports say sales of guns have increased following the shooting, likely at least in part because consumers fear stricter gun laws could limit their access. While the hard sales numbers are not yet available, dealers across the country are reporting a heavy increase over the past few days. One Florida gun store employee told Yahoo! Finance said that, in his store this past Monday, they grossed $40,000, while, "on a typical weekday, we strive to gross $10,000."

\At the same time, gun stocks, following a quick initial surge after the news of the shooting first hit, have fallen hard this week; Smith & Wesson (SWHC) has been down as much as 10% on Tuesday. Both Smith & Wesson and Sturm, Ruger & Company (RGR) had already dipped in the days before the shooting, following a surge that has till left Smith & Wesson with up 92% year-to-date. Ruger is up 28%.
Early business reaction has not been limited to the world of gun retailers. The business of media has also taken note. On Friday, a Pittsburgh red-carpet premiere for Tom Cruise's $50,000,000 Paramount Pictures vehicle "Jack Reacher," in which he plays an investigator tracking a sniper, was put on hold "out of respect for the families." The Discovery Channel has also canceled its reality series "American Guns," which follows a Colorado family that works in the firearms business. This comes after Facebook users rushed the show's site and called for its ouster in the wake of the shootings. The show is currently out of production but has run for two seasons and 26 episodes, and has been popular with audiences. According to reports, the season two premiere had a 50% increase over the first season debut.
The videogame industry is another that could be affected following the Sandy Hook tragedy, as fingers point toward the often violent games' effect on the psyche of American youth (Lanza was apparently a fan of the wildly popular, military-themed "Call of Duty"). These early reactions could lead to long-term changes in the business world, or we could go back to "business as usual" before long. This remains to be seen as this far-reaching, fast-moving story continues to unfold

[jonthepain]

When the '94 gun ban came into place, and then expired 10 years later, there was an excellent opportunity to study the effects on gun control and assault weapons on society - the ATF and GAO found absolutely no change in crime rates or mass shooting rates.

The Columbine shooting happened in the middle of the "assault weapons" ban.

[clamchucker]

The videogame industry is another that could be affected following the Sandy Hook tragedy, as fingers point toward the often violent games' effect on the psyche of American youth (Lanza was apparently a fan of the wildly popular, military-themed "Call of Duty"). These early reactions could lead to long-term changes in the business world, or we could go back to "business as usual" before long. This remains to be seen as this far-reaching, fast-moving story continues to unfold

I agree with this hookset. I recently got my daughter in law mad at me because I had a chance to view the video games that my grandchildren were playing. One of them is called grand theft auto, I think. It is extremely violent. People are killed callously and it seems like a very bloody game. I feel these games are affecting the morality of our youth. They are very impressionable at that age.