Good thread Finaddict. Joe and you are right on target here. The groups that want to make these types of areas permanently closed to fishermen are dangerous. I have mt some of them at cocktail parties, elite snobs who are well organized and with millions to support this stuff. I fish on my boat more than anything else. I know I bb you surf guys all the time, but I have been out there in the suds too. I know what it's like to have people with no manners around you. We do all need work together on this.