Those are great pics surfstix. While they are at it they should go out on a party boat and see how "endangered" the dogfish stocks really are, when you are on a seabass trip you sometimes have to move 10x to get away from the doggies. This all could be resolve if they looked at everything as interr-related. I think it's been said here more than once in some other threads. I think the worst thing is a lot of them truly know nothing about fishing, or they can't see things from fishermens eyes because they don't fish.