Obama after Sandy Hook Elementary: "we must change"

[DarkSkies]

OK DS ban me from the site I don't care

Can't ban ya for expressing your legally protected rights to free speech.....it's in the Constitution, ya know....
I would ban someone from attacking others in a malicious or libelous way, and I have.....
You haven't even come close to breaching those parameters.....yet....... (Although your grouchy rants are legendary...)






IMO if only the criminals and police can own them...the crimes will become more unspeakable....

There was a case I read about a year or so ago,,,,,
It may be on here, don't have time to search...






A guy and his girlfriend were brutally robbed, beaten, and she was raped while they made him watch......
although that was an extreme case, you never know when you could be in that situation....I'm certain this guy and his girlfriend never imagined they could be in such a situation either......






I agree with what you and others said Fin.....
To take away our ability to protect ourselves, from the animals who masquerade as people....is wrong, and against the Constitution.....

If you do a search, you will find there are some towns in the South (Texas has one of them, I believe)

Where there is a very high % of gun ownership...and less crime than in other areas......in those areas folks are permitted to shoot to kill....and when you are threatening someone's life or liberty, or the safety of their family.....I believe you deserve to be shot...


Again, these are just my thoughts,,,,,
But with all the animals out there....there is no way the Gov't is going to protect me from every possible circumstance... getting rid of all guns will just make us less safe as individuals....
I therefore feel we have a right to arm ourselves, should that time ever happen when we are placed in grave danger as explained above.

[Monty]

I therefore feel we have a right to arm ourselves, should that time ever happen when we are placed in grave danger as explained above.

Totally agree, 110%.

I don't understand the statement,

I think somewhere along the way, someone will make the argument for banning automatic assault rifles.....
But as Jon sad, where do you go from there?

You ban the automatic assault rifles. You don't ban the pistols and hunting guns. You ban the guns that really do not have a place in society. In a civilized country.

[jonthepain]

well put, Rich.

and btw, automatic weapons have been unlawful for civilians to own since the 1934 National Firearms Act.

[Monty]

well put, Rich.

and btw, automatic weapons have been unlawful for civilians to own since the 1934 National Firearms Act.

I meant semi-automatic guns like the one used in the killings. Guns that can unload lots of bullets in a short time.

[hookset]

The fallout is already being felt - from yahoo.com


At the same time, private equity company Cerberus Capital Management reported that it's selling off its entire investment in Bushmaster and returning any profit made to investors. Cerberus bought Bushmaster in 2006, then merged it with additional gun companies to create Freedom Group, which reported net sales of $677 million for the first nine months of 2012, up $112 million from 2011. In a statement, Cerberus said, "It is not our role to take positions, or attempt to shape or influence the gun control policy debate. That is the job of our federal and state legislators. There are, however, actions that we as a firm can take."
****'s Sporting Goods (DKS) -- which boasts 500 stores in 44 states -- has, for now, removed display of all guns nearest its Newtown store and also ceased the sale of modern sporting rifles in all stores. In a statement on its Web site, ****'s says, "Out of respect for the victims and their families, during this time of national mourning we have removed all guns from sale and from display in our store nearest to Newtown and suspended the sale of modern sporting rifles in all of our stores chainwide."
Interestingly, some reports say sales of guns have increased following the shooting, likely at least in part because consumers fear stricter gun laws could limit their access. While the hard sales numbers are not yet available, dealers across the country are reporting a heavy increase over the past few days. One Florida gun store employee told Yahoo! Finance said that, in his store this past Monday, they grossed $40,000, while, "on a typical weekday, we strive to gross $10,000."

\At the same time, gun stocks, following a quick initial surge after the news of the shooting first hit, have fallen hard this week; Smith & Wesson (SWHC) has been down as much as 10% on Tuesday. Both Smith & Wesson and Sturm, Ruger & Company (RGR) had already dipped in the days before the shooting, following a surge that has till left Smith & Wesson with up 92% year-to-date. Ruger is up 28%.
Early business reaction has not been limited to the world of gun retailers. The business of media has also taken note. On Friday, a Pittsburgh red-carpet premiere for Tom Cruise's $50,000,000 Paramount Pictures vehicle "Jack Reacher," in which he plays an investigator tracking a sniper, was put on hold "out of respect for the families." The Discovery Channel has also canceled its reality series "American Guns," which follows a Colorado family that works in the firearms business. This comes after Facebook users rushed the show's site and called for its ouster in the wake of the shootings. The show is currently out of production but has run for two seasons and 26 episodes, and has been popular with audiences. According to reports, the season two premiere had a 50% increase over the first season debut.
The videogame industry is another that could be affected following the Sandy Hook tragedy, as fingers point toward the often violent games' effect on the psyche of American youth (Lanza was apparently a fan of the wildly popular, military-themed "Call of Duty"). These early reactions could lead to long-term changes in the business world, or we could go back to "business as usual" before long. This remains to be seen as this far-reaching, fast-moving story continues to unfold

[jonthepain]

When the '94 gun ban came into place, and then expired 10 years later, there was an excellent opportunity to study the effects on gun control and assault weapons on society - the ATF and GAO found absolutely no change in crime rates or mass shooting rates.

The Columbine shooting happened in the middle of the "assault weapons" ban.

[Monty]

If the Bushmaster that was used in these killings was purchased legally, which seems to be what happened, if there was a ban on assault weapons the likely hood of this piece of *hit having a semi-automatic like this weapon would have been reduced.

When the Constitution was written (Second Amendment specifically) there were not weapons imaginable such as these "assault weapons".

Civilized:Showing evidence of moral and intellectual advancement; humane, ethical, and reasonable.

We live in a country with so many different types of people, so many different opinions, people with all types of issues, stress levels, moral and immoral, mentally stable and unstable. In my opinion these types of assault weapons have no place in a civilized country such as ours. They need to become unavailable and made illegal to be owned. Just my opinion (First Amendment).

[jonthepain]

If the Bushmaster that was used in these killings was purchased legally, which seems to be what happened, if there was a ban on assault weapons the likely hood of this piece of *hit having a semi-automatic like this weapon would have been reduced.

well, unfortunately, when these weapons WERE banned, it had no effect whatsoever, according to statistics and the ATF and GAO studies.

Again, in the middle of the ban, Columbine.

In Norway, on July 22, 2011, Anders Behring Breivik killed 69 kids and adults at a youth camp, and injured another 110, with legally obtained firearms

Norway has much stricter gun laws than here.

What kind of an assault weapon did Martin Berns or Timothy McVeigh use? Oh yeah, a bomb.

McVeigh used fertilizer to kill 168 people, including 19 children under the age of 6, and injured 680 people.

[clamchucker]

The videogame industry is another that could be affected following the Sandy Hook tragedy, as fingers point toward the often violent games' effect on the psyche of American youth (Lanza was apparently a fan of the wildly popular, military-themed "Call of Duty"). These early reactions could lead to long-term changes in the business world, or we could go back to "business as usual" before long. This remains to be seen as this far-reaching, fast-moving story continues to unfold

I agree with this hookset. I recently got my daughter in law mad at me because I had a chance to view the video games that my grandchildren were playing. One of them is called grand theft auto, I think. It is extremely violent. People are killed callously and it seems like a very bloody game. I feel these games are affecting the morality of our youth. They are very impressionable at that age.

[speedy]

hey don`t get me started like fin said the kid was ill but there should not be guns and head problems in the same house .. IMO !!!!!!

IT WAS VERY SAD WHAT HAPPENED VERY SAD !!

[jonthepain]

interesting article about the assault weapons ban by a liberal:

http://kontradictions.wordpress.com/...-ill-tell-you/