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seamonkey

05-10-2014, 03:27 PM

Well here is a capt who is not only following the wishes of his fares he is promoting "bonus limits" on every trip. Is it the fares who make him do it or is the capt culpable? After all he is using it as part of his marketing strategy. So he has to take some of the responsibility.
What do you guys think about that?

I think it sucks. The captains have to accept that they are advertising their trips as including bonus fish.
Here is another one Capt Ray from the mad gaffer. Capt Ray when there are no bass left you are part of the problem!:2flip:
A dozen fish over 20lbs how much meat is that?

"it is 12:30 p. m . and we are boxed up and and all our bonus tags are used all big fish a dozen over 20 lbs. ( photos to be posted later ) "

basshunter

05-10-2014, 07:53 PM

Another one for today, Every one on the boat took home 3 bass
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finchaser

05-10-2014, 08:00 PM

Most of them with out bunker can't get catch a fish. Plus it's illegal for the Mates and Captains to catch and give fish to charter especially when they make 2 trips and do it twice a day. From what I have been told the bonus tags will be gone next year and they will only be allowed to possess one fish per person over 36 or 38".

Head boat mentality and sadly many charter captains live by anything caught dies they fill boats that way by boasting how good they are.

plugcrazy

05-11-2014, 12:07 PM

Head boat mentality and sadly many charter captains live by anything caught dies they fill boats that way by boasting how good they are.

Wow these meat guys just keep slaughtering and slaughtering
mad gaffer full bonus limits

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captnemo

05-11-2014, 12:41 PM

. Plus it's illegal for the Mates and Captains to catch and give fish to charter especially when they make 2 trips and do it twice a day. From what I have been told the bonus tags will be gone next year and they will only be allowed to possess one fish per person over 36 or 38".

That head boat mentality has got to stop. Also the practice of Capt and mate giving their fish to the fares. That's illegal and gives everyone who does it a bad name.

storminsteve

05-12-2014, 12:49 AM

That head boat mentality has got to stop. Also the practice of Capt and mate giving their fish to the fares. That's illegal and gives everyone who does it a bad name.

:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping: What finchaser and the capt said. You charter capts talk a lot of crap about following the regulations and then you do sleazy things like take extra fish that aren't allowed and brag about bonus fish. If you ask me the charter and party boats should be considered as commercial fishermen. They do more damage to the stripers than anyone else and they are so sleazy about it saying "hey im just fishing what the regulations allow me to fish" BS!!!!!!!!

Monty

05-12-2014, 07:04 AM

If you ask me the charter and party boats should be considered as commercial fishermen. They do more damage to the stripers than anyone else and they are so sleazy about it saying "hey im just fishing what the regulations allow me to fish" BS!!!!!!!!

While recreational fisherman always used to blame the commercial fishermen for killing so many bass, the charter and party boat captains are at the same level (inconsiderate, selfish, ignorant, arrogant). When the regulations change I hope they feel it financially.

cowherder

05-13-2014, 09:08 PM

Another big time meat guy the boats name is fishstix. They got a limit of 15 bass to 25 lbs for 6 guys. Looks like this guy advertises a lot that he will get you bonus limits. Finchaser I am so glad you said that bonus tag will be addressed. then pigs like this wont be able to keep those bonus fish anymore.

I wonder if these boats even send their bonus data in like they are supposed to?

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cowherder

05-13-2014, 09:12 PM

While recreational fisherman always used to blame the commercial fishermen for killing so many bass, the charter and party boat captains are at the same level (inconsiderate, selfish, ignorant, arrogant). When the regulations change I hope they feel it financially.

I agree with you. I feel bad if a guys business loses money but most of these capts here are just greedy pigs who are only about money in their pockets. They don't care one bit about the stripers. So when the regulations change if they suffer its too bad they take and take with those bonus tags and have no sense that maybe they should just take a little less. even 2 fish per man wouldn't be that bad. These guys are just greedy asinine pigs. my .02

hookset

05-13-2014, 10:48 PM

They don't care 2 sh*ts about whether there are enough bass or not. They will switch to bluefish or fluke or seabass. Doesn't matter to them. They are all about exploiting the resource. And that's MY 2c.:2flip:

porgy75

05-14-2014, 09:15 AM

Looking at all these pics tells you there are a lot of people out there who only care about themselves. This is the only thread I could find like this on the internet. Hookset I think it is a good idea as that guy jonny bucktails has not posted any more pics of 3 caught by each fishermen since you started. Thank you for speaking out.

surferman

05-15-2014, 02:35 PM

:clapping:Yes hookset thank you for having the balls to start this thread. You must not be too popular among the charter boat captains lol. At least the ones that include the capt and mates catches as part of the tally for the day.

clamchucker

05-15-2014, 02:53 PM

This is certainly something that needs to be shed light on. As finchaser and surferman said in NJ many of the Capts and Mates will fish for limits including the bonus and give their catches to the fares so they can go home with a full limit.
How would folks feel if this was hunting. The guide brings the party out to shoot the trophy elk or deer. The client is a poor shot so the guide shoots and kills the trophy for him. Then the client goes home with that as his kill. I think any ethical hunter would be ashamed of this practice. fishermen should be ashamed of it too. The last time the striped bass were decimated no one wanted to believe it could happen. I lived through it. I see the same attitudes out there today. These abuses must be reigned in or the bass will continue to suffer.

jigfreak

05-21-2014, 11:36 PM

Anyone been reading the Grumpys weigh in list lately?
This name turns up quite a bit. From Tuesday

Tuesday, May 20, 2014

Angler
Species
Length
Weight
Bait

LaGrossa, Phil
Bass
49″
48.15lbs
Snag & Drop

finchaser

05-22-2014, 12:36 PM

Yep him and his brother Chris and they also own a restaurant. They are members of Berkley striper club which are having all no NO KILL tournaments

buckethead

05-22-2014, 01:43 PM

^^^^^ I recall seeing that LaGrossa name on the grumpys leaderboard often. I understand killing a bass close to 50lbs if it is your personal best. Many guys would want to record that and weigh that in its human nature. But week after week every year he weighs in big fish. If you think about it, and are ok with eating bass that taste like cardboard, big bass fillets should last a normal family for several meals, up to a few weeks. Killing a big one every few days? What would a normal person do with it all? If he has a restaurant that explains it.
What is troubling is that if he is a member of Berkeley and still kills these bass anyway. I wonder if Berkeley is aware of it since they are moving toward no-kill tourneys.

finchaser

05-22-2014, 01:51 PM

there are the outlaws members of the club that are anti CR and some of the 240 members go either way

surferman

05-22-2014, 02:17 PM

That is despicable if they do own a restaurant and are selling stripers as meals someone should investigate them and shut that restaurant down. How do they get away with something like that. Scum!!!!!

jigfreak

05-22-2014, 02:26 PM

T How do they get away with something like that. Scum!!!!!

Pretty simple, actually - fresh grouper on the menu. The people eating there never know the difference. As for how to get away with it the NJFG prob doesn't have time to police all the restaurants. I know an old guy who used to sell fish before they shut it down last time. He could go into any Chinese restaurant on Rt 71, 35, or Rt 9 and they would buy his fish and cook some for him. You can easily do that today. I know at least 2 Chinese places close to me that will do that if you bring in your catch today. So its still going on. Owning your own restaurant would just make it easier to hide.

Blazin420

05-22-2014, 03:31 PM

It really grinds my gears how many big breeders this guy (and a few others) constatnly wiegh in this time of year...I would say if he owns a resturant he is DEFINITLY selling it under another name..

finchaser

05-22-2014, 04:52 PM

Grouper will be on the menu in many restaurants this weekend to feed the benny's. not saying it will be at theirs

clamchucker

05-24-2014, 06:06 PM

This may be hard to even comprehend but bare with me. We landed 5 bass over 50 pounds, 4 bass over 40 pounds, and too many 30 pounders to even count... Matt landed 4 of the 50 pounders and I GOT MINE !!!!! My first bass over 50 pounds and i will never forget it.

Matt did the right thing and released all of his 40's and 50's. Wow it feels awesome to say that. I released all of my fish over 28 pounds including a 40 pounder. I caught my first 40 pounder and my first 50 pounder on the same day. Will never forget this day as long as i live. I did keep my 50 pounder so that i could have it skin mounted on my wall. I made a promise to myself that i would never kill a big one like that again. Watching those big girls swim away is the best feeling ever.

hookset I want to thank you for starting this and raising the issue of all the folks who keep bonus limits and big fish out there. When that young man johnny bucktails was killing fish after fish with 3 fish limits every time you and the other folks called him out on it here. He came to reply and was so arrogant and smart mouthed I was feeling disgusted about the young anglers and the fate of our fishing.
Your shaming and the disapproval of the folks here must have had a lasting effect on this young man. Now he is swearing that he will not do it again and release his big fish.
For a person to make a 180 turn around he could have not done this by himself. I really feel it was the public chastising he was getting here that convinced him to change his ways. I lived through the last moratorium and I don't want to see it again. Thank you hookset for standing up to the criticism and the harsh insults. You have really done a good thing here. I don't know how old you are but you are certainly younger than me. Keep up the good work. Maybe now some of the charter captains who advertise bonus limits will see the error of their ways and start taking 2 fish instead of 3 per man. Good job.

surferman

05-24-2014, 06:24 PM

Great news clamchucker. Does anyone know who this guy Sean Smida is? Every time out there it seems like he is weighing every fish he catches. How many 30 pounders fill your freezer?

Wednesday, May 21, 2014

Smida, Sean

Bass

41″

24.6lbs

Snag & Drop

Saturday, May 24, 2014

Sean Smida

Bass

45″

37.15lbs

Snag & Drop

Look at these other guys. These 2 Tomenski guys took 94 pounds of bass home from one day of fishing. If that doesn't qualify them as meat men I don't know what does. http://stripersandanglers.com/Forum/images/icons/icon13.png
Friday, May 23, 2014

Tomenski, Travis

Bass

46″

34lbs

Bunker

Tomenski, Travis

Bass

45″

32.35lbs

Bunker

Tomenski, Tommy

Bass

42″

28.05lbs

Bunker

Today he weighed in almost 60 lbs of bass. If you catch and keep all those bass what the heck are you doing with them. Are you selling them?

Saturday, May 24, 2014

Tommy Tomenski

Bass

44.5″

29.7lbs

Bunker

Tommy Tomenski

Bass

44″

30.15lbs

Bunker

This was all posted on the Grumpys web site.

surferman

05-24-2014, 06:35 PM

Another dude always weighing in big fish. Does anyone know who this guy sloma is?

Wednesday, May 21, 2014

Sloma
Bass
45″
30.15lbs
Snag & Drop

Friday, May 23, 2014

Sloma
Bass
45″
36lbs
Bunker

CharlieTuna

05-24-2014, 06:42 PM

I lived in Jersey when fishing was bad. We have since moved but I remember how bad it was. The fact that some can't recognize the parallels between then and now is troublesome. This is probably one of the most pro-active threads I have read on any of the internet sites. Thank you hookset. I don't have much to contribute but I do check this thread regularly. Outstanding job you are doing here. Keep it up.:clapping::clapping:

finchaser

05-24-2014, 07:02 PM

50 Pounders !!! Striper Report - Johnny Bucktails Feels good to say that. Best day of fishing i have ever had in my life. Matt who was on board with us agrees that it was the best day he has ever had. Hands are still shaking as i type this. Left the dock at 7am with matt and the lip. Made bait in one throw and we were on our way. Set up on the first drift and nailed a 32 pounder right off the bat. Made a few more short drifts in the area with nothing but bluefish. Decided to make a move and it turned out to be the best decision ever. Videos are uploading as we speak. This may be hard to even comprehend but bare with me. We landed 5 bass over 50 pounds, 4 bass over 40 pounds, and too many 30 pounders to even count... Matt landed 4 of the 50 pounders and I GOT MINE !!!!! My first bass over 50 pounds and i will never forget it. Have everything on video. Matt did the right thing and released all of his 40's and 50's. Wow it feels awesome to say that. I released all of my fish over 28 pounds including a 40 pounder. I caught my first 40 pounder and my first 50 pounder on the same day. Will never forget this day as long as i live. I did keep my 50 pounder so that i could have it skin mounted on my wall. I made a promise to myself that i would never kill a big one like that again. Watching those big girls swim away is the best feeling ever. Especially when the whole thing is on video ! My dad's big fish for the day went 33 pounds. The big fish are here for sure. My fish was officially weighed at 51.2. In the end, hard work and doing your homework pays off.

Videos will be posted here soon. Check back

Tight lines- Johnny Bucktails

My 50:
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To me his statement means he will release all fish over 50 so I guess everything under 50 dies

plugcrazy

05-25-2014, 12:21 PM

buckethead

05-26-2014, 06:16 PM

My 50:
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To me his statement means he will release all fish over 50 so I guess everything under 50 dies

I have seen a lot of big fish in my time. Remember when they used to bring them in at the old Giglio's and the salts there would guesstimate before they were put on a scale, usually being very close to the actual weight. Its my opinion that the fish he caught is a great catch. I hope no one thinks I am hating on the kid. A 50 by anyone deserves praise. What puzzles me is how many of the experienced fishermen out there looked at the video and don't question his claims that the others were 40's and 50's. When you are talking about a spawned out fish that is 48", that fish is in the 35-40 pound class unless it starts eating bunker again.
A comment by Dave S. I remember Dave from when the highlands bridge used to be the place to catch big fish in Monmouth county. He caught plenty of 40 and mid 40 lb bass from that bridge. I agree with Dave's statement:

If those fish are 40's and 50's, I have a 14 inch penis.

First fish he holds up is maybe at best 30#

Second fish that he says is "35 0r 36" is around 25 -27 pounds

Third fish thats one f their "other 40 pounders" is about 29-31 pounds at most

I could go on and on, but either these guys are trolling, no pun intended, or they got one broken *** Boga Grip.

buckethead

05-26-2014, 06:19 PM

There was also another statement made by a guy who has a lot of experience with big fish. Why are these 2 fellas the only ones to raise the issue of exaggerated estimated weights of the fish they released? Again I don't want to rain on this kid's parade, but a 50 is a 50. A 40 is a 40. A 35 lb fish is not a 40 no matter how much you wish it was. Congrats to the kid and may be learn from this. This is the statement. I agree with it 100%.

Congrats on what looked to be a super fun day of fishing for you and your friends.
some very nice bass caught.

BUT lets also keep it real, looking at the pics which can be deceiving I didn't think any of the pics showed a LEGIT 50, as the MASS required and the head size of the bass just don't show.'after watching the video I would be pretty safe to bet they aren't close to 5o's being let go.
and here's why.

Unless Matt is 7 foot tall I would expect his Belly button ( his measuring spot ) would not be over 40-42 inches from the boat deck,Im 6'3 and mine is 42" . that is NOW WHERE close to what it takes even an unspawned bass to hit the 50 mark.

The pics you show appear to be hudson fish which don't the wide girth of the Chessy bass.
For those fish Normally to hit the 50 mark they are 50" Plus
Chessy fish which are girthier take a little less at around 47"

50 pound fish also aren't held out at arms length as they just want to roll over due to their weight displacement. while many guys can hold a forty that way, I haven't seen 1 yet do that with a 50 plus

they just get very hard to hold. Thats why most pics of big fish don't look as big as they were in person because the pics are usually cradling the fish .

all bass over 30 pounds have giant heads on them and would allow a fish to easily go down to the gullet without touching the sides.

would say you need to get your boga calibrated.

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what else I would say is this.

While I was very glad to see you released a bunch of nice bass, watching the video in the manner they were handled was tough to watch .
throwing them around with a bogs on their lip like that is really easy to destroy their jaws.
and only one of those fish really took off as they should, bopping them on the head making them dive too soon just makes the go down , many times to just float up later on .

take the time to swim them or use the SW wash down until they really bite down and also want to swim on their own .
when they go down laying on their side, they are not revived enough to have as good a chance as possible to survive.

They should be swimming and moving their tails on their own.

Hope to see you releasing more big ones again !!

just feel the pics, and especially the video doesn't back it,

Also after reading all the posts of lets hear what the nay Sayers say now ???
I feel the proofs don't add up.

Just my 2 Cents,
Seen a few good ones to know the difference, and seen enough even high forties to know they all Look huge

Main reason I did post was because IMO those great fish need to be handled with a little more care if being released so they truelly have the best chance of recovery

dogfish

05-26-2014, 08:58 PM

I saw the release video on youtube. Agree with hammer4reel. Some of those fish they released didn't make it.

J Barbosa

05-26-2014, 10:27 PM

Meat men...the only reason fish were released is because they were probably at their limit.

In the video you can see the cooler is stuffed. At 5:25 in the video you can clearly see that they are even shoving bass in their live well. :kooky:

If your going to make a video stating your not a meat man maybe you should hide all the dead bass first. Those Parker's have huge fish boxes in the back near those engines...I would love to have seen what was in their fish box.

Five 50 pounders? Haha I have a 16" ****.

80lb boga? Must be made by the Chinese because the eastern boga company only makes 15, 30, and 60lb models; explains why they are so off on the weights.

finchaser

05-27-2014, 09:37 AM

Got other report for you guys. Headed out around 7am with Matt and the Lip ONCE AGAIN !! Made our bait in one throw and we were off. Right back to where we had the SLOBS from two days ago. Right off the bat we were greeted with 25-40 pound fish blowing up on our baits. On the 3rd drift Matt released the big fish of the day that was just over 40 pounds. He released all of his 8 big bass. I released 2 30 pound fish and kept one 38 pounder that unfortunately swallowed the hook. Also kept 3 smaller fish for the table for the lip's bday tomorrow. The almighty Lip only caught one bass today... unlike him. I think he is still in shock from the 50's. I gave the 38 lber to a local tackle shop owner who has become a good friend of mine. He weighed it on his scale. I would post picture but it may be against forum rules because he is not sponsored. The best part about today, and i hate to jinx myself, but no bluefish... thank god ! Sorry for lack of photos
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hookset

05-27-2014, 07:53 PM

Meat men...the only reason fish were released is because they were probably at their limit.

In the video you can see the cooler is stuffed. At 5:25 in the video you can clearly see that they are even shoving bass in their live well. :kooky:

80lb boga? Must be made by the Chinese because the eastern boga company only makes 15, 30, and 60lb models; explains why they are so off on the weights.

Capt of a parker, all quality gear in the video, and they are using a Chinese made boga. It figures. That's the only way those 30 pound fish could be "multiple 40's!!!!!" Rofl You are the only one on the internet who noticed that JB - good catch. Thanks for the kind words guys. Its simple math. Keep killing the big girls with multiple bonus tags and there will be none left.

clamchucker

05-30-2014, 01:24 PM

Hey check this out grumpys posted the weigh ins for today and so far that lagrossa guy did one weigh in
38 lbs does this guy have a commercial freezer or what?
www.grumpystackle.com (http://www.grumpystackle.com)

Weigh-Ins

Sunday, May 25, 2014

Angler

Species

Length

Weight

Bait

Mike Riela

Bass

44″

31.15lbs

Plug

Joe Riela

Bass

40.5″

25.65lbs

Plug

Jack Riela

Bass

46″

38.85lbs

Plug

Tom Hopkins

Bluefish

22″

2.85lbs

Grumpy Bunker

Tom Hopkins

Bluefish

28″

7.15lbs

Grumpy Bunker

Bryan Medhaug

Bass

31.5″

10.4lbs

Clams

Phil Lagrossa

Bass

47″

38.85lbs

Swimmer

plug crazy I have seen that phil lagrossa post on a leaderboard multiple times. I believe he is a member of one of the local fishing clubs and it seems they all post big fish around when the tourney dates are scheduled. It is a shame that some of these clubs are not willing to set the example by having catch and release tournaments. Berkeley striper club is having one such tournament that begins today.
http://stripersandanglers.com/Forum/showthread.php?9559-Berkeley-Striper-Club-11th-Annual-Spring-Tournament

storminsteve

05-31-2014, 12:27 PM

Less than a week later weighing in another one. From Grumpys.com. Wow what a great bunker chunker.:rolleyes:

Friday, May 30, 2014

Angler
Species
Length
Weight
Bait

Phil Lagrossa
Bass
47″
42.95lbs
Snag & Drop

robmedina

06-02-2014, 08:39 AM

so my buddy sends me a picture yesterday of a 40# bass. I thought he caught it. I know he likes to eat.....most things he catches, including a cow nose ray he caught Friday night. Anyway- turns out a friend of his caught it but "doesn't eat fish". Why the F kill the fish than? What is wrong with these people? If you do not "like to eat" fish then simply return it back into the water? Are people's egos that big that they need to parade a dead bass around to show off? in my opinion, these people are not anglers.

Monty

06-09-2014, 11:46 AM

IMO the bass are in big trouble and everytime a school pops up on a pod more and more are eliminated especially by 2 charter boats up north that find it necessary to post on 4 sights everyday it's sad. Bright side is Raritan bay is emptying out and most of the meatmen up there will give up now that they'll have to work hard for them .
:HappyWave:
Not sure if you are referencing Fisher Price IV, Capt Derek Bielitz who posted here last year.
"I will also be the first person to say that there are not as many bass around as in recent years."
"I do support catch and release and i can tell you i had a trip the other day where we landed 50 or 52 bass all day and only kept one fish for the table cause it was gut hooked and bleeding out."

Many of his posts titles include "limits ++"

Its one thing to be a meat man, its another to talk Striper conservation one day and advertise "limits ++" the next day.

hookset

06-09-2014, 01:26 PM

:HappyWave:
Not sure if you are referencing Fisher Price IV, Capt Derek Bielitz who posted here last year.
Many of his posts titles include "limits ++"

Its one thing to be a meat man, its another to talk Striper conservation one day and advertise "limits ++" the next day.

That does seem to be a little phony baloney. You say one thing and do another what does that make you? and he usually advertises ++ limits as well. With am and pm trips using bonus limits these charter boats can bring home 30 bass a day each, easily. Do the math, thats about 500 a month if they are fully booked and accounting for bad days.

The latest trip-
Fisher Price IV 6/8 AM/PM Striper Limits ++
AM-Total was 19 keepers to 32 lbs.
PM- In about three hours the crew managed to land a total of 18 keepers to Phil's 38 pound fish.

Here is another one- Down Deep out of keyport
Down Deep -6/8 Still on the Big girls...
Down Deep - 6/8 PM Livelining Insanity
Needless to say we beat on them, with fish from 15 - 38 lbs. Just a sight to truly remember. GET OUT NOW !
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finchaser

06-09-2014, 01:31 PM

Lets not forget Down Deep

hookset

06-09-2014, 01:39 PM

finchaser I did mention him above. That photo is from his latest trip. Get this - for his most recent charter he was posting in real time how they were slaughtering the bass. He posted on 4 different websites. On the bassbarn he was placing the same posts in 2 separate forums. At some point you are just overexposing yourself. Just because your a site sponsor it gets tired when you post in all the different forums all the time. One of the most notorious meat men out there. When the bass are all dead what will he advertise for? my .02

finchaser

06-09-2014, 06:44 PM

sorry hook I must have missed that and lets not forget Captain Sal it breaks my heart that the Fisherman cant find bass at night

finchaser

06-09-2014, 06:46 PM

sorry hook I must have missed that

Really feel bad the Fisherman cant find bass at night:waaah:

albiealert

06-09-2014, 11:12 PM

I hope this doesn't sound too cruel but these captains sound like selfish pigs. Even pigs know not to defacate in their food. It is like these people are shooting themselves in the foot for the future because of the almighty dollar today.

robmedina

06-10-2014, 06:34 AM

Down Deep -6/8 Still on the Big girls...
Down Deep - 6/8 PM Livelining Insanity

Needless to say we beat on them, with fish from 15 - 38 lbs. Just a sight to truly remember. GET OUT NOW !
I guess it is a sight to remember- at this rate there wont be any fish to catch and all we can do is remember.

jigfreak

06-10-2014, 08:52 PM

I guess it is a sight to remember- at this rate there wont be any fish to catch and all we can do is remember.

How about we remember how hollow some peoples words are? Latest report from the meat kid-

Saturday: Headed out with the lip around 3pm after SAT's. Made bait in one throw and we were off. Had great conditions and boxed up our four bass in no time. Big fish for the afternoon went 39 pounds.

Sunday: Left the dock with Dad and cousin Frankie at 3pm. Went right back to where we had them the day before and had a nice pick of bass. Wasn't as good as the day before but we were catching. Made a slight move and it was lights out. Excellent fishing with bass up to 40 pounds.

tight lines - Johnny Bucktails http://stripersandanglers.com/Forum/images/smilies/smile.gif

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This is him on May 24 swearing he'll never keep a big fish again. ROFLMAO

I caught my first 40 pounder and my first 50 pounder on the same day. Will never forget this day as long as i live.I made a promise to myself that i would never kill a big one like that again. Watching those big girls swim away is the best feeling ever!

seamonkey

06-22-2014, 04:17 AM

"I made a promise to myself that i would never kill a big one like that again. Watching those big girls swim away is the best feeling ever! "

:waaah:Yeah that didn't last too long lol! Well maybe by the time he is 20 he will realize that killing every big fish for his limit catches is not cool. Of course maybe by the time he is 20 he wont be able to catch them anymore.
The latest grumpys weigh in from that other meat guy

Saturday, June 21, 2014

Angler
Species
Length
Weight
Bait

Bill Coleman and Crew
Bluefin Tuna
54″
88.65lbs
spreader bar

Fecak, Gary
Fluke
25″
5lbs
Mackeral

LaGrossa, Phil
Bass
43″

jigfreak

06-22-2014, 11:36 PM

"The big bass are here and now is the time to catch the fish of your dreams."

Caot Sal put his charter on the meat today. Mmmmm mmmmm, can you say freezer burn. cows to 40lbs stacked up
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hookedonbass

06-24-2014, 12:05 AM

^^^ The award for clueless capt of the year goes to - Capt Sal:clapping: :clapping:
[New Jersey is the place for striped bass! Just as good if not better then Montauk.Our May and June run is world class.Each year there are more and fifties caught .Great year we are having.]

finchaser

06-24-2014, 03:37 PM

Another one( Sal) who can't catch a fish with out a bunker and his first post to my knowledge with pictures. Fish are scattered and notice boy wonder has no posts. He'll surface when fluke are committing suicide

Monty

07-04-2014, 11:39 PM

Johnny Bucktails needs more meat.......From anther site, his post.

Headed out at 8am with the lip and Matt for a sharking trip. Got some bait and we were off. I set up on the first drift and put the gear out. We were half way through the first chum bag and zzzzzzzzzzzz.... Set the hook and he jumped 10 feet out of the water. Never seen anything like that before. The thought of being attached to that beast is a great feeling. Switched on and off with dad for most of the hour long fight. Brought him to the side of the boat and almost crapped my pants. When we thought he was tired enough matt stuck him with the fly gaff and he went ballistic. I almost got decapitated a few times. These fish are no joke. It took over 30 minutes for him to fully bleed out and then another 30 - 45 just to get him in the boat. All 3 of us could barley get him in. This was the first one Dad and i have ever caught but we knew he was a monster when he pushed the scale at twin lights to 233.5 pounds. Im 6'4 and the tail was taller than me. Put up one hell of a fight and definitely one i will never forget. Fought harder than any fluke i've caught ahahaha.

I just cannot understand todays misguided youth.

cowherder

07-05-2014, 11:18 AM

Monty

07-05-2014, 03:12 PM

I don't think guys like that will ever get it. Which is too bad he is not even a guy yet he is just a kid. His ego and clinical need for pats on the back will not let him see the forest from the trees. Sad

The excessive killing of the bass. Then last year when he did throw some bass back, he videoed launching released bass.
Then this year saying how good it felt to release a big fish, when it was his buddy that did it. Then on the next trip he has picks of "40s or 50s" dead on his boat.
Looks like he is now killing sharks, or trying too. Sounds like his lack of knowledge almost got himself hurt seriously.
I know he is not breaking any laws, but his lack of respect for a resource that is in trouble just seems to make him the poster boy for what is wrong with a lot of recreational fisherman. At least to me it does.

finchaser

07-06-2014, 06:21 PM

Fluke aren't committing suicide so we won't hear from the great Johnnie buck tails. Maybe some day he'll learn the great ones catch most of the time not only when the fish have a death wish. With out bunker he is useless.

stormchaser

07-12-2014, 01:18 PM

Montauk bass massacre get out here while you can. The Viking is running 2 trips a night to slaughter the stripers.

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"Captain Ant reports another Basstastic night on the Viking Starship. Moo Cows were grazing all night with or without tide. Not much else to say other than we had our boat limit. Highlights were John Dempsey who finally limited out, with a pair of 30+ lbers, congrats john. Corrado also limited out with fish to 34lbs. Steve Bento came back and had 3(ORL) to 32lbs. Jonny Jesus of the elbow made his first appearance with his bro & buddy chad they combined for 9(ORL) chad with the largest at 35lbs. Mikey Nelson also limited to 31lbs. While most fish were in the moo cow 30lbs class Gary Kolesar had a Behemoth at 41lbs even. Jigar Patel took second with a 36.11 lber great name for a fisherman Jigar, although he used eels exclusively tonight.

Check out the pix & remember two trips tonight 6pm-12midnight & 12 Midnight to 7am Please call to reserve as both trips are limited & filling up."

hookset

08-02-2014, 05:51 PM

Another one( Sal) who can't catch a fish with out a bunker and his first post to my knowledge with pictures.

Capt Sal does it again. Limited out 11 keeper bass. Bragging that he caught them in 1.5 hrs. Do you always have to keep your boat's limit Capt?
These are from Aug 1.
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finchaser

08-02-2014, 06:58 PM

He's a conservationist for fishing and hunting go to his web site and read about how he saves all living creatures

these were bunker fish also

hookset

09-19-2014, 05:38 PM

Looking for an opinion of some of the gents here who catch and release. Look at the video.
They have the bass out of the water for at least a few minutes. They put it in the water and literally after swishing her around for 19 seconds they are releasing it. The release lasts from :30 to :49 of the video
So whats your opinion does that bass live or not after it was "released".:huh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7swTs0w688&list=UUvoTSjTIzAzes2ZsdGHTL7w

jigfreak

09-19-2014, 05:48 PM

I'm sorry not looking to start a war here but that's a dead bass. You can see it swimming sideways in the water, and just a little life as the water hits it.
It looks like they stopped the video because they knew it wasn't going to live and wanted to make it look like it did. I have been fishing and catching bigger fish to 40lbs for 30 years. There is no way that fish swam away healthy after only 19 secs in the water like that especially with the bay water being as warm as it has been. Yes that fish was released - released to the crabs.

voyager35

09-19-2014, 05:55 PM

I have to agree with jigfreak. I don't want to take sides on this as I sometimes release fish and sometimes keep whatever I want to. I have released a lot of big stripers as well. I was fluke fishing in raritan bay last week and the water temperature was 74 degrees.

It is a shame they chose to use that video and that bass. You can see the sores on her already. Probably from rubbing against the rocks. In my professional opinion that bass might not have made it. I don't want to judge any one or get involved in controversy. This is just what I saw from the video. The bass looks very weak and not stabilized when they let it go. Just my opinion.

ledhead36

09-19-2014, 06:17 PM

I was fluke fishing in raritan bay last week and the water temperature was 74 degrees.

rb temp reached a high of 71 yesterday afternoon. Its crab food.

J Barbosa

09-20-2014, 07:14 PM

I think he should have spent a little longer reviving that fish but it I won't criticize him for it. He's finally learning how to release fish and it stands a much better chance of living in the water than in his livewell. IMO that fish is probably still swimming right now.

He needs to take a photo still also if that was a 44lb fish. Looks to be 24lbs tops to me but recorded videos can do that to a fish.

Congrats Johnny + dad, whatever size it was. :thumbsup:

SharkHart

09-21-2014, 06:54 PM

Those sores were the only reason there was a "release" my guess is the indecision after seeing the sores led to the thing being 3/4 dead.

Monty

09-21-2014, 08:59 PM

Those sores were the only reason there was a "release" my guess is the indecision after seeing the sores led to the thing being 3/4 dead.

My thoughts too, but I didn't want to post it.......Thanks SharkHart
Unfortunately Johnny Bucktails has not earned "the benefit of doubt" in any way.
And that is important to remember, even when he was releasing big bass on a trip (early this year or last year (I forget)), they were throwing them over board not proper releases, mocking C and R.

plugcrazy

10-04-2014, 04:17 AM

Report from 10/3 this charter reports 4 guys caught 18 bass to 24 lbs only keeping the legal limit. So they kept 12 bass to 24 lbs? He doesn't say exactly how many they kept but with the bonus tags that would be 12, right? How many bass do you need? What do you guys think of this?

Fisher Price IV 10/3 Evening Striper Limits ++
Headed out this evening with Chris, Sean, Kevin and RJ. First stop was no good with no current. Made a move and found some current. The guys were able to land 4 keepers and a short. Once the action slowed we set up in a different and had immediate action with keepers and shorts. The guys wound up landing a total of 18 keepers (only keeping legal limit) plus 7 shorts. Biggest fish for the evening was around 24 lbs.

hookset

10-04-2014, 01:37 PM

^^^^^ plugcrazy that capt is known for catching bass++ limits. In my opinion he's two faced because on one hand he has said in the past that there may be less stripers. If that is true why does he have to advertise each trips that he caught their limits "plus plus?". In my opinion thats because he only cares about the money and its guys like that that are responsible for the striped bass fishing going downhill. Good thing all capts are not like that or there would be no fish left in the ocean.

cowherder

10-04-2014, 11:21 PM

Good thing all capts are not like that or there would be no fish left in the ocean.

Agreed I'm sorry to say it in public but that guy is a greedy pig!

finchaser

10-05-2014, 07:38 PM

Make money, Kill them all before there gone:huh:

J Barbosa

10-06-2014, 11:29 AM

Its all about the money.

$120 each fare x 6 = $720

Now they run AM and PM trips and your up to $1,440 a day.

jigfreak

10-06-2014, 12:22 PM

^^^^^^^They should classify guys like Fisher Price and all those other 2 trip a day A**hats with their bonus fish as commercial fishermen.
Or enforce a truth in advertising clause for them - Come fishing with us! We will get you the meat! No one rapes the sea like we do. Hoo Rah.:rolleyes:

seamonkey

10-07-2014, 12:14 AM

Truth in advertising. LOL!:clapping:

williehookem

10-26-2014, 07:35 PM

Captree slaughter begins. Capt Ken Higgins professional tool bag.

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"Pics from today's striper slaughter"

SharkHart

10-26-2014, 08:27 PM

Man you beat me to this, i just saved the same pic to my hard drive

finchaser

10-27-2014, 09:12 AM

Fish are back and guess whose a super star

October 25th Bass report -Johnny Bucktails Bass fishing has really heated up. With a nice weather window yesterday we decided to go. Left the dock at 7am with my dad and good friend Dennis on board. Long story SHORT, 30 fish were caught but they were all small. Some close to keeper size but most of them were very small. Lot of fun to mess around with and it was tough to leave em biting, i figured a few bigger fish would have been mixed in but i was wrong. Still had a blast and got some nice footage with my new camera. Here is the link to the vid

tight lines- Johnny Bucktails

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blTY...Azes2ZsdGHTL7w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blTYClQBk5E&list=UUvoTSjTIzAzes2ZsdGHTL7w)
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basshunter

10-27-2014, 09:17 AM

^^^^^ I looked at the video and it looks like he is fishing off long island? Pardon me if this seems like a stupid question but if the cows are all over how come he had to dirve the boat to long island to catch small stripers. Also why didn't he go to shrewsbury rocks and get some bigger cows like I read in the report here for saturday? Is the shrewsbury rocks further than long island? I don't know the answer to this I'm just asking if anyone else does.

hookset

10-27-2014, 09:39 AM

^^^ Hes apparently not connected to the right intel chain. From what I hear the finchaser intel chain is the place to be. He should have tried to hook into that one. As for the distance to either place that would depend on which port you are berthed at.

seamonkey

10-27-2014, 09:59 AM

^^^ Hes apparently not connected to the right intel chain. From what I hear the finchaser intel chain is the place to be. He should have tried to hook into that one.

Haha that would be a hoot!
jonbucktails: Hey Mr finchaser its jonny I am calling you because I dont want to work to find the fish and want to expand my intel chain to I can become an internet superstar.
finchaser: jonny who?
jonbucktails: you know who I am, its jonnybucktails! Can I please be on your intel chain so I can cover more area before I decide where to fish? I need to catch the big cows!
finchaser: sorry you are one of those meatmen can't help you.:2flip:"

seamonkey

10-27-2014, 10:02 AM

Captree slaughter begins. Capt Ken Higgins professional tool bag.

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"Pics from today's striper slaughter"

What ashame. Stack them up like cordwood for the photo op

finchaser

10-27-2014, 11:21 PM

Was an all out slaughter today all the head boats found them 1/2 to 1 mile off on the way in at 2pm with in an hour everyone on all boats limited out with 3 fish between 20 and 44 pounds. My friends on private boats caught them on jigs also as fast as you could reel them in they were all released.

This could be the grand finale as Montauk, block Island and Rhode Island are dead

stormchaser

10-28-2014, 10:51 PM

williehookem thanks for posting that pic. This guy is one of the worst, total doosh. Higgins the Captree Pride meat monger at it again - todays report-
"Today excellent fishing over 70 stripers keeping fifty four for the day.tomorrow 7am and 1pm stripers pics below"

surferman

10-28-2014, 11:46 PM

Woo hoo let's all get on the meat bus!

hookset

10-30-2014, 06:31 PM

fishstix today. Out of Belmar. Capt Kris. full boat limit plus bonus tags. Fish to 45lbs. How much fillets can you get from one 45lb striper? Way to find the meat.:2flip:
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fishinmission78

10-30-2014, 06:44 PM

Thats good news lets hope NJ sticks to it. At least the raritan bay meatmen like fisher price wont be able to catch "bonus plus plus limits" anymore.

X2, that guy is a notorious greedy pig but the clients should take responsibility too. Or at least the capt should try to educate them that there are less stripers. My .02.

Fisher Price IV 10/30 Striper Limits ++
Headed out this morning with Ken, Bob, AJ, Bill, Karl and Skip from Stalker Charters. took a ride this morning to where the bite has been north and did a lot of searching to find very little. Turned around and flew south. The guys hung in there and worked hard all morning with the jigs landing their limit plus while releasing several other fish. Total for the day was 18 bass (only keeping legal limit) up to 26 lbs.

6 man trip - 18 bass- some things never change. Time to get rid of those bonus tags or this guy will rape the fish till there are none left. Can't wait till 2015

porgy75

10-31-2014, 05:06 PM

Can someone help me understand this? I count 5 guys in the pic, and they say they had 1 striper short of the boat limit. Why do they count the limit of the Capt and the mate when they are not fishing. If that's not illegal isn't it immoral? Why is this allowed? thanks
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Friday 10/31 had Jim and the boys 5 man charter. It was their first time for Stripers. Headed to where we were yesterday. Stopped the boat snagged bait and bam couple fish on immediatley. Caught a few missed a few. Stuck with it and had 9 in the boat quickly. Went north a little and grabbed 3 more. Went back to where we were and got another. NE wind was kicking, the boys had 13 bass to around 25lbs or more in the boat, and the inlet was in sight. They called it a day at 11am. Total for the day was 13 (1 shy of our 7 man boat limit), they missed a bunch and a few pulled hooks. But I gotta say for their first time they did a hell of a job!

Capt Kris

finchaser

11-03-2014, 11:39 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl8AuOunabI&feature=player_detailpage&list=UUvoTSjTIzAzes2ZsdGHTL7w#t=10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl8AuOunabI&feature=player_detailpage&list =UUvoTSjTIzAzes2ZsdGHTL7w#t=10

Monty's favorite kid

Monty

11-04-2014, 06:06 PM

Monty's favorite kid

Wow they hook them deep in the bass. Guy has his hand so far in I expected to see his finger come out of the Basses @ss :whoo:.

finchaser

11-04-2014, 08:18 PM

God forbid he'd use a circle hook

hookedonbass

11-05-2014, 08:03 AM

Monty

11-05-2014, 08:20 AM

^^^^^^^monty can't you damage the bass's gill plate that way? If you do that and put the bass back in the water don't they have a high mortality rate. Can anyone answer this? finchaser I read Al Ristory in his blog talk about circle hooks when livelining all the time. Why don't more of these guys use circle hooks for the bass they are releasing. Is it a cost factor or just stupidity and arrogance?
I would think trying to get that hook out so deep would put the odds of a fish living very low.
I think circle hooks should be mandatory. Would really make an impact on mortality.

voyager35

11-05-2014, 09:45 AM

J Barbosa

11-05-2014, 10:46 AM

Do circle hooks work???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxqEAeNZyao&list=UU_WMKSdEvqLDD7dvBojI-yw

finchaser

11-05-2014, 08:41 PM

I don't want to get into any of the controversy here or take away from the pluses of a young man who obviously enjoys the fishing he does with his Dad. However as you learn more and you fish live bunker you learn that circle hooks will kill less fish in the long run. I hope someone shows this young man the way because the way he is doing it now and with the evidence in the video there will probably not be a high survival rate for his releases. My .02 only. Still would congratulate him on the catching.

The father son thing is his new BS he still kills every fish he catches he is constantly crucified on other sites. In one of his video's he preaches how he will release breeding size fish because he caught a 50 and in the back ground is a cooler with numerous tails sticking out of it as he and his friends usually do the bonus tag thing.
A 14 inch Calcutta de-hooker can eliminate the arm down the throat ,learning how to live line without letting the fish run a mile would eliminate a lot of the gut hooks and last but not least use of circle hooks. Also notice in the video none of the fish went back he was just saving his hooks not the fish

His father then says little Johnnie is going by what the law dictates and people are jealous because daddy bought him a boat.

He only posts when the fish are committing suicide on bunker and he can fill the boat and beat on his chest ,because with out bunker he's like a lot of people who can't catch a fish.

seamonkey

11-07-2014, 06:47 PM

fintaztic fishing meat wagon!
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finchaser

11-10-2014, 09:49 PM

November 8th and 9th bass reports - Johnny Bucktails Oh my Forgot to release them again no one could eat that many fish especially big ones like these that feed on bunker you can smell it in them when you clean them:upck:

8th: Headed out at 8am with Dad and My good buddy Bob. The morning started off slow but in the afternoon we headed to a new area and found bird life. Went to work with the jigs and shads to box up or 3 man limit of bass. Nothing big but all healthy keepers with a few shorts and blues mixed in. Great day on the water with a lot of laughs.

9th: Headed out at 9 am with Dad, Good friend Dennis, and his son Tyler. Same situation as the day before. The morning was a little slow with just one keeper bass being caught. Had a tough time finding fish but made it happen in the afternoon. Found the birds working again and was able to land 4 keeper bass on jigs and shads. One fish was in the 20's. A lot of shorts and a few blues. Lot of fun, great conditions, and a great crew once again.

tight lines- Johnny Bucktails

http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b502/John_Contello/10641254_991949447487006_6529942540227295360_n_zps da0a2c88.jpg (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/John_Contello/media/10641254_991949447487006_6529942540227295360_n_zps da0a2c88.jpg.html)

http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b502/John_Contello/10525979_991380590877225_6807378562256441572_n_zps ea443d4d.jpg (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/John_Contello/media/10525979_991380590877225_6807378562256441572_n_zps ea443d4d.jpg.html)
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Monty

11-10-2014, 10:42 PM

November 8th and 9th bass reports - Johnny Bucktails Oh my Forgot to release them again no one could eat that many fish especially big ones like these that feed on bunker you can smell it in them when you clean them:upck:

Rumor going around that he prefers to be called Johnny Kill-Bass now :viking:.
That bucktail tag was getting old.

hookset

11-11-2014, 10:43 AM

^^^^^^ Well if he was true to his style he should just call himself Johnny Kill-em-All. In one way I feel bad bashing on this kid, you start to think isn't there anyone else that deserves the meatman of the year award. But every time he's out, he's taking full limit plus bonus when the bite is good. So I guess he hasn't learned from all the internet criticism. Also the changing of limits to one bass you would think some of these guys would want to set an example and start abiding by the new regs. With each successive report you see it's all about the meat for these folks.:pig:

finchaser

11-11-2014, 11:06 PM

He's not a charter captain trying to make a living and sending the fish home with the charter who may fish once a year. He keeps them all every trip period

cowherder

11-12-2014, 09:09 AM

^^^^^^ That truly is ashame.

hookedonbass

11-13-2014, 06:45 PM

Fish stix loading up on the meat today

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hookedonbass

11-15-2014, 05:07 PM

Fish D**KS again 11-14. Man this guy is a real meat slob. 5 people fishing 14 fish using bonus tags. Do you really have to keep 14 fish with a lot of them over 20 lbs, for 5 guys. What greedy pigs.

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fishinmission78

01-10-2015, 01:44 PM

The averageangler blog posted this today. I agree with him

"One fish 28 to 43 inches and a second fish over 43 inches. That my friends is a travesty. You can do all the math you want and can even try and figure that a second fish over 43 inches isn't an easy fish to catch.......but it really isn't......at least for the boat angler.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-J8WMkkhjGD8/VLETr5_EdeI/AAAAAAAAP7s/3tTHwRi9lzE/s1600/10917966_10205832405748157_72422431322792787_o.jpg (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-J8WMkkhjGD8/VLETr5_EdeI/AAAAAAAAP7s/3tTHwRi9lzE/s1600/10917966_10205832405748157_72422431322792787_o.jpg )

What they have done is now started, or just ended, a war between the boat and beach angler. It used to be that the recreational and commercial fisherman we pointing fingers at each other. That was easy. They would use the argument that recreational anglers took 27 million pounds of striped bass each year to the commercials 9 million. And those numbers aren't factual. I always said that charter boats, from six packs to party, numbers should be put into the commercial category. They are vessels for hire. They are commercial operations. Even though the fares are fishing for and taking "meat" home for their own recreational pleasure.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WyBF1R0m5tQ/UmK5SePCvvI/AAAAAAAAOV8/lh9lCpGDc-k/s1600/101913%2BGLBERG-7.jpg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WyBF1R0m5tQ/UmK5SePCvvI/AAAAAAAAOV8/lh9lCpGDc-k/s1600/101913%2BGLBERG-7.jpg)

But what this new regulation does is pin surf fishermen against boat fisherman, well there was always a divide, but now it will get ugly. In this age of social media, from blogs to fishing forums to fishing report pages, readers are able to see, almost in real time, who is catching when and where and how.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-nGgDklWQKi4/UnlamJlf0mI/AAAAAAAAL3M/AdUoejOAAWM/s1600/110513%2BFISHMN%2B-1.jpg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-nGgDklWQKi4/UnlamJlf0mI/AAAAAAAAL3M/AdUoejOAAWM/s1600/110513%2BFISHMN%2B-1.jpg)

What it came down to was pressure from charter boat captains who feared that reducing a paying customers haul to one fish would hurt an already hurting industry. Duh, yes it will. But that already hurting industry is happening because of the reduced number of fish available to catch and kill. You want to save a fishery......its simple......reduce mortality.

So the early spring clam and bunker bite massacre that happens in Raritan Bay to pre-spawn Hudson fish will continue. Then the bunker snag and drop massacre will continue into the early summer. Then in the fall it will pick up again.

We will continue to see charter boats decks and docks loaded with dead bass. We will now see anglers "catch and releasing" those second fish that don't make the 43 inch mark. So, if your fellow angler next to you doesn't want your second 38 inch fish, and the captain doesn't want it for the boat.....guess what? That means that 10/0 treble snagging hook stuck deep into the striped bass' esophagus will be ripped out and that fish released, if you can call it that, so the angler can catch a "legal" greater than 43" fish. "

I keep a lot of fish but I don't always catch my limit or keep it. 1 nice fish is usually enough for me. I don't need to feed the widows and orphans with striped bass lol. This is just going to make the divide between surf and boat fishermen worse.

Monty

01-10-2015, 03:35 PM

The averageangler blog posted this today.

But what this new regulation does is pin surf fishermen against boat fisherman, well there was always a divide, but now it will get ugly. In this age of social media, from blogs to fishing forums to fishing report pages, readers are able to see, almost in real time, who is catching when and where and how.

Charter boats and Party boats should be considered commercial fisherman.
I think these new regulations fall solidly short of what is needed. Hopefully get rid of that bonus tag.

"The Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission (ASMFC) recently mandated a 25% or better reduction by all coastal states on striped bass harvest beginning in 2015, with ASMFC technical committee members approving New Jersey's proposal of one striper at less than 43 and one striper at 43 or greater as meeting that 25% reduction goal"

The Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission has no balls.

clamchucker

01-11-2015, 09:55 AM

I agree. The charter boats will be the death of this fishery. The ones who are most disrespectful seem to be the ones in the raritan bay. I don't like to name names because I am not from that area. These Captains do a disservice to others out there by claiming the health of the striped bass. It is just not true.
Back in the 80's when striped bass came back most folks had stopped fishing for them regularly. Even at Island beach there wasn't much activity outside of the spring and fall migration. The fish weren't there and most stopped fishing for them. Instead we targeted flounder, fluke, blackfish, and bluefish to keep it interesting. It was very difficult to catch a striped bass during that time. You could go for weeks without catching one. The interest started up again when it was heralded that they were recovered. The outdoor writers started publicizing it. Some bait shops were struggling and it was seen as a way to increase business. It worked and folks started to show up at the beaches regularly again. This was a good thing. The thing that some fail to see is that we need to manage these fish better. The folks at the agencies need to listen more closely to actual fishermen across a broad spectrum. If this does not happen the population will crash again. I have lived through it and seen it. The watered down regulations just voted on are not enough.

fishinmission78

01-11-2015, 10:06 AM

hookset

04-20-2015, 11:19 PM

And so begins the 2015 striper slaughter. who will be the winner and claim the most meat laid on deck for the season?

Miss Belmar
Sunday morning, it was a full on striper slaughter! We fished just north of our inlet and caught monster stripers up to 35 lbs on anything you threw at them from jigs, to crocs to shads. At times, there were 3-4 on at a time. We ended up with close to 60 keeper stripers with only a handful of throwbacks. Some went home with their limits and their bonus tag.
Interested in an extra keeper? Get your bonus tag here. (http://www.nj.gov/dep/fgw/bonusbas.htm)

hookedonbass

04-26-2015, 09:40 AM

And so begins the 2015 striper slaughter. who will be the winner and claim the most meat laid on deck for the season?

Maybe tagged fish? that guy always advertizes catching bonus limits.
Report from yesterday

"This afternoons open boat crew put a bonus limit on ice in no time with the biggest weighing 30 lbs. "

Monty

04-26-2015, 12:56 PM

Fisher Price IV 4/25 Excellent AM/PM STRIPERS!!!

AM- Had the Ron Schwarz charter out this morning. Started off clamming this morning with the last of the out going tide. Managed to land 1 keeper and 5 shorts. Got a call and picked up the anchor and put out the plugs. Had non-stop action right away and for the next few hours. Ended the day with 20 keepers only keeping our legal limit of 12 and around 10 shorts. Big fish weighed 20 lbs.

PM- Ran our open boat trip this afternoon. Told the guys we were going to pick up where we left off. Set out the trolling gear and in just over an hour an a half had our limit of 12 fish in the boat. Decided to change gears and try chunking. Managed another 3 keepers and a few misses. Trolled one more fish before heading in. Ended the afternoon with 16 keepers only keeping our legal limit up to 22 lbs with only one short for the afternoon.

robmedina

04-27-2015, 08:25 AM

saw this photo posted on another forum. I think this takes bragging to another level.
http://stripersandanglers.com/Forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=19300&stc=1

fishinmission78

04-28-2015, 09:33 AM

Thats a waste of bluefish. By the time they got them back home they would have all been baked in the sun. Ruins the meat. Idiots.

basshunter

04-29-2015, 09:35 AM

I don't know why they would not have stuck those bluefish in a cooler with ice and I agree it is a waste of fish.
I hear the northern bay meat guys have started up with the bonus limits. From yesterday a 3 man limit which includes bonus fish. These fish look all close to the same size. I guess the new regs are not in effect yet?

surferman

05-01-2015, 12:33 PM

Check this out full bonus limit roman round charter boathttp://stripersandanglers.com/Forum/images/icons/icon13.png

fishinmission78

05-02-2015, 08:29 PM

I guess the new regs are not in effect yet?

I think we are still under the old regs for now. Never keep 3 fish at a time so im not sure. Not sure that matters to those guys though.

clamchucker

05-03-2015, 12:37 PM

Yes that is correct. The new regulations don't take affect until May4.
http://pub.eregulations.com/doc/jfgriffin/15njmd/2015042102/#2

surferman

05-24-2015, 04:55 PM

Kudos to the guys who started this. In the Cape May area you don't see lots of posts with bass stacked up on the docks too much. You know when they do that they are just beating their chests trying to get you to book a charter. I don't know if anyone else noticed but you have a few meatmen who stood out. Capt derek fisher price. Capt chad tagged fish. And that Capt Johnny bucktails. Since you guys started this thread things have changed. fisher price does not post pics of dead fish on the dock anymore. Neither does that guy tagged fish. In a way this thread has been responsible for modifying piggish social behavior. Maybe they are still killing their limit but some of these guys are not posting the slabs of meat on the dock anymore. And capt derek is not going online talking about how many bass there are.

Also something interesting. Some of these capts are now posting pics of grilled and broiled bluefish and saying how good they are and sharing recipes on the internet. Do you think they would be doing that if striper fishing were that great?
Thank guys and ds for letting this thread stand. You really made a difference!:clapping:

finchaser

05-24-2015, 06:14 PM

With the new regs and far less fish which is from past years gluttony. These so called pro's can't put a catch together with out large bunker schools with fish big enough to eat them committing suicde. One of the so called self proclaimed expert Captains was in the shop the other day inquiring about how to troll spoons on wire. A hero to zero in a year pretty pathetic if you ask me.

plugcrazy

05-24-2015, 07:32 PM

Is the concentration of bunker schools different this year.
Or is it that these captains can only catch stripers in bunker blitzes. If true that's pretty embarrassing for them. You would think a good captain can catch fish with all kinds of tools and methods. Guess they really can't be heroes without thousands of bunker in front of them.

basshunter

05-25-2015, 11:08 AM

What about those guys loading up on the tilefish?
I checked and found out tilefish grow something like less than a few inches a year after the first 4years.
They can live to be over 40 years old and the info I found says they do not migrate. so if guys keep fishing the same areas for them its easy to wipe them out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_northern_tilefish

Also this recent news thing I read that says they will be limiting the catch on future trips. Is it a good thing or is it overkill?
http://www.examiner.com/article/input-sought-on-plan-to-change-mid-atlantic-tilefish-management

This is a pic I found from a recent 6 pack tilefish trip. All these fish for 6 guys.
Shouldn't they qualify as meatmen as well? They had 10 fish over 30 lbs. and filled the dock with all these slabs.The Russian Roulette out of keyport. Great fishing trip? Or bunch of greedy pigs? what do you guys think?

basshunter

05-25-2015, 11:14 AM

you have a few meatmen who stood out. Capt derek fisher price. Capt chad tagged fish. And that Capt Johnny bucktails. Since you guys started this thread things have changed. fisher price does not post pics of dead fish on the dock anymore. Neither does that guy tagged fish. In a way this thread has been responsible for modifying piggish social behavior. Maybe they are still killing their limit but some of these guys are not posting the slabs of meat on the dock anymore. And capt derek is not going online talking about how many bass there are.

You really made a difference!:clapping:

Awesome I agree you don't see those pics that much lately. Good job!

bababooey

05-26-2015, 04:50 PM

What about those guys loading up on the tilefish?
I checked and found out tilefish grow something like less than a few inches a year after the first 4years.
They can live to be over 40 years old and the info I found says they do not migrate. so if guys keep fishing the same areas for them its easy to wipe them out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_northern_tilefish

Also this recent news thing I read that says they will be limiting the catch on future trips. Is it a good thing or is it overkill?
http://www.examiner.com/article/input-sought-on-plan-to-change-mid-atlantic-tilefish-management

Great fishing trip? Or bunch of greedy pigs? what do you guys think?

I think as long as the regulations say they can keep all those fish it's no one's business what they do with the ones they catch. I agree they are slow growing but so are tog, which are highly regulated with several closed seasons. My .02

jigfreak

05-26-2015, 05:22 PM

The only problem with that statement is that some goons use that as something to hide behind without taking personal responsibility. And that's my .02

hookset

05-30-2015, 08:23 PM

_ouchebag of the week award goes to:

"Here is what I think : You can march ,write letter and picket all you want and it's not going to change a G-d damn thing .So I don't give two ***** of what they think as long as it's legal given a chance I am going to kill as many of them as I can .I pay the fare to go kill fish !!!! And if I am good at it and the Cpt.is good at finding them then slaughter it will be .**** THEM !!!!!!!! 5 fluke ? 15 seabass? 1 striper?**** THEM TWICE!!!!"

rockhopper

07-14-2015, 09:54 AM

How about this the guy got 31 catfish for a 20 entry fee!
Meatman or not?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuLxh7FhEfI

strikezone31

07-15-2015, 01:26 PM

Is it release if you are releasing a bass that is dead?
Take a look at this video of the karen ann. they advertise crushing the bass every night.
In this video they toss a 40 pounder back. It doesn't even move when it hits the water it just sinks to the bottom upside down. Video of that bass starts at 30 secs in. Does anyone else think that bass didn't make it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=55&v=es69KIoruiM

cowherder

07-15-2015, 05:47 PM

I don't think he's the only one. I think I saw that guy Johnny bucktails do the same thing in a video once.

baitstealer

09-24-2015, 11:02 AM

I saw this in another thread here it's incredibly stupid! I nominate this guy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=2&v=r0IQCLQDfKw

plugcrazy

09-24-2015, 12:07 PM

He's definitely an idiot. They gaff the sunfish and talk about the meat what a doofus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSpIeRbgk1Y

Here's the news report
http://www.masslive.com/news/boston/index.ssf/2015/09/malden_man_encounters_sunfish.html

baitstealer

09-24-2015, 12:13 PM

haha yeah thats the one thanks for posting it. True meat man!

7deadlyplugs

09-24-2015, 03:27 PM

Looking at that I almost thought he was drunk. No one could be that stupid. Apparently he was sober as a judge. Sticking a gaff in an ocean sunfish is like gaffing a porpoise that came to let you pet his head at sea world. Why would you even think of doing it?

surferman

10-12-2015, 02:13 PM

It was on facebook they are catching stripers big time in long island. Some meat pics. Think the capt that posted was ken higgins captree something or other?

hookset

10-17-2015, 11:33 AM

and the nj striper season starts off with Capt Derek in first place. Slabs o meat on the dock again. Outstanding job lining up the slobs Capt:rolleyes:

Monty

10-17-2015, 02:06 PM

and the nj striper season starts off with Capt Derek in first place. Slabs o meat on the dock again. Outstanding job lining up the slobs Capt:rolleyes:

Jersey regulations suck.

"The guys went to work with the live bunker and managed to land 13 keep sized bass to Ken's personal best at 47" weighing 40 lbs. We boxed our limit of 28-43" fish and 3 fish over 43" while releasing another 2 before calling it a morning."

finchaser

10-17-2015, 04:39 PM

Jersey regulations suck.

"The guys went to work with the live bunker and managed to land 13 keep sized bass to Ken's personal best at 47" weighing 40 lbs. We boxed our limit of 28-43" fish and 3 fish over 43" while releasing another 2 before calling it a morning."

Thank Fote and Hartel

cowherder

10-17-2015, 11:35 PM

finchaser

10-17-2015, 11:41 PM

Anyone else think it strange that a captain who has publically said that the bass limits should be stricter is always the one with the most fish lined up on the dock stacked like cordwood? Seems just a little bit hypocritical to me. My .02

Also if he had 6 guys on board from what he says they kept it should be 9 not 13. so it looks like Derek and his mate kept 2 each to box 13

finchaser

10-23-2015, 11:51 AM

Bonus tag at work on Fisher Price

thanks JCAA and Tom Fote

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/captderek1/IMG_1879_zpsnmioqywb.jpg~original (http://s24.photobucket.com/user/captderek1/media/IMG_1879_zpsnmioqywb.jpg.html)

williehookem

10-25-2015, 11:23 AM

I saw this in another thread here it's incredibly stupid! I nominate this guy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=2&v=r0IQCLQDfKw

:clapping::clapping:Post of the year I love this dude! "Its a baby whaaaaaaaale a baby ****in whale!"

fishgutz

10-25-2015, 12:12 PM

He's a riot. Will go down in history as the clueless guy. Definitely entertaining tho.:thumbsup:

7deadlyplugs

10-26-2015, 01:01 PM

Captree pride todays morning catch. Seems like the stripers are getting smaller each time.

finchaser

10-26-2015, 01:14 PM

Captree pride todays morning catch. Seems like the stripers are getting smaller each time.

1 fish per person up there also

In NJ meat men pictures where are the bonus tags that are supposed to be in fishes mouths

surferman

10-27-2015, 03:34 PM

He's a riot. Will go down in history as the clueless guy. Definitely entertaining tho.:thumbsup:

Agreed. funny as f***!

J Barbosa

10-27-2015, 04:14 PM

Its a ******* baby whale!!!

baitstealer

10-30-2015, 10:17 PM

Maybe someone knows better than me but who the HEL LL are these guys?
ISLAND PRINCESS STRIPER SLAUGHTER!!!!
ISLAND PRINCESS STRIPED BASS BEAT DOWN!!!!!!

They are on another web site I was checking out. Every day its the same headlines. Can they be slaughtering the stripers every day or is it just hype?:huh:

nitestrikes

10-30-2015, 10:29 PM

hookset

11-02-2015, 01:39 PM

A lot of it is hype. If they don't say they are slaughtering them a lot of folks won't go.

Well then everyone should take off work calling in sick and head up to Raritan Bay. The Down Deep is crushing it. Striped bass are jumping in the boat lol.

baitstealer

11-02-2015, 01:52 PM

Don't guys put fish in coolers anymore. Or do they just lay them out for the photos'? How can you tell which striper belongs to which fisherman?

surferman

11-02-2015, 08:07 PM

Well then everyone should take off work calling in sick and head up to Raritan Bay. The Down Deep is crushing it. Striped bass are jumping in the boat lol.

Isn't that one of the big time charter captains with a fleet of boats? Guess there is alot of pressure to make those boat payments. Found this online that they caught today. Tasty looking stripers!!

basshunter

11-02-2015, 08:10 PM

Yeh especially the ones that are all red and bashed up.

buckethead

11-02-2015, 08:34 PM

A lot of it is hype. If they don't say they are slaughtering them a lot of folks won't go. They stay at home watching the game or putz around until the run is full on. Don't blame the Captains so much as the potato heads in today's society who don't want to fish unless they are blitzing. My .02

Well then everyone should take off work calling in sick and head up to Raritan Bay. The Down Deep is crushing it. Striped bass are jumping in the boat lol.

It's the same thing every year. Nothing brings folks out faster to fish the for-hire boats than a pic of a deck or dock filled with limits. Been going on that way for a long time. When there are not enough bass left to fish for they will either go out of business or post pictures of fluke and seabass limits. My .02

porgy75

11-02-2015, 09:36 PM

A lot of it is hype. If they don't say they are slaughtering them a lot of folks won't go.

Oh man you are so correct a mundo on this one! Such a difference in reports depending on whos doing the reporting.
report from today, 2 boats-
1-"Fishing is red hot right now and now is the time to come on down for a nice day of good fall fishing."
2-"Another Striped Bass beatdown to 27 lbs. again today, insane blow-ups amazing sights to see fish flying way out of water chasing everything in their sight."

report from al ristori tonight- "At Atlantic Highlands, the Sea Hunter got into stripers of mostly 24 to 26 inches along with some keepers today. They also had one brief shot at blues. The Fishermen reported it was quiet in the bay until bird life developed on the change of tide. Then there was plenty of action on shad lures, though the pool bass was only 14 pounds."

jigfreak

11-02-2015, 09:42 PM

So ironic for years Ristori was known as Al Fish Story. Now he's posting true reports and the other guys are hyping it. What a strange turn of events. Bizarro Jerry Seinfeld for the fishing world.

cowherder

11-02-2015, 09:54 PM

hah thats funny Bizarro Ristory!
Living in a world where killing all the fish is good.
meat reigns supreme!
Ristory reports the truth.
Throwing stripers back is bad.
Truth is evil, fantasy land is the right road to be on.
Kill them all!
And start all over again. :kooky:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc_f-0DCGI0

finchaser

11-03-2015, 10:23 AM

First they wipe out the big fish
Now they target the so called big fish high teens and twenty's the good breeders
They also use blanket bonus tags to kill the 24 to 26 inch fish the last good year class 2011 which is suppose to grow to replenish dwindling stocks

All justified by Tom Fote and the bullsh_t he fed the state

jigfreak

11-03-2015, 10:23 AM

hah thats funny Bizarro Ristory!
Living in a world where killing all the fish is good.
meat reigns supreme!
Ristory reports the truth.

You had me at Ristori reports the truth. Funny stuff.

For years there were the actual fishing reports. And then the Ristori reports, based on all the lies the Capts told him. He would print anything without checking. Now that he doesn't have his charter boat anymore it appears that he is pretty much telling the truth. We've come full circle. Like bucket head said a lot of captains have to lie or exaggerate for a living. People won't rush to fill a boat if only a slow pick.

finchaser

11-03-2015, 10:25 AM

You had me at Ristori reports the truth. Funny stuff.

For years there were the actual fishing reports. And then the Ristori reports, based on all the lies the Capts told him. He would print anything without checking. Now that he doesn't have his charter boat anymore it appears that he is pretty much telling the truth. We've come full circle. Like bucket head said a lot of captains have to lie or exaggerate for a living. People won't rush to fill a boat if only a slow pick.

Please I see him at least 5 days a week and he prints anything they tell him and talks up any one who takes him on there boat for free especially some of the Raritan bay meat men

plugginpete

11-06-2015, 10:22 PM

captree pride meat bus

cowherder

11-25-2015, 06:45 PM

In the spirit of Thanksgiving just wanted to thank you for starting this thread. When the stripers are all gone we can come back here and look to see who was most responsible.

dogfish

11-27-2015, 08:57 AM

hookset

11-28-2015, 04:59 AM

A famous .phrase I learned a long time ago is - "if you are not part the solution you're part of the problem." As far as I'm concerned you guys in Jersey are greedy bastards for taking three fish when everyone else has to except just one. No offense intended, but with a situation like that the biggest offenders will never recognize themselves. I mean, some of those small fish I'm seeing are just barely out of diapers. A real man would be ashamed to keep a 24 inch striper, much less lift it up with other fishermen for a photo op. My 2c.

Spot on. and a real man would not be taking those little baby bonus fish and promoting it heavily every chance he gets.
Captain Derek, the poster child for striped bass conservation 2015 lol.

11-26-2015, 12:59 PM
Capt Derek Fisher Price 3
Fisher Price IV Thanksgiving Striper Slam
Headed out this morning with Paul, Bob, Art, Mike, Kevin, Sal for our annual Thanksgiving striper trip. Found the birds right away and the boys went to work with the shads and jigs. Non-stop action all morning with keepers and shorts coming to the boat fast. Called it a day around 1030 with the boys boxing 8 keeper bass to around 17 lbs and filling there bonus tags. The guys released around 120 other bass for the morning with around another 8 keepers going back to fight another day."

Monty

11-28-2015, 02:17 PM

Spot on. and a real man would not be taking those little baby bonus fish and promoting it heavily every chance he gets.
Captain Derek, the poster child for striped bass conservation 2015 lol.

11-26-2015, 12:59 PM
Capt Derek Fisher Price 3
Fisher Price IV Thanksgiving Striper Slam
"The guys released around 120 other bass for the morning with around another 8 keepers going back to fight another day."

Makes it sound like they did a good thing.

This guy is the biggest two faced captain of them all.
Your a meat man, admit it Fisher.
You are a major source of dead bass.

basshunter

11-29-2015, 11:50 AM

Let's see, they released 125th and had about 12 - 16 keepers Total.
That means only one in every ten stripers or so was a keeper and probably barely legal. Seems like it should be the other way around - we had a lot of very small fish and only a few keepers. Boy those captains really know how to spin the truth, don't they? What happened to all the 30 pound fish that everybody was catching last week?

cowherder

11-29-2015, 05:34 PM

Makes it sound like they did a good thing.

This guy is the biggest two faced captain of them all.
Your a meat man, admit it Fisher.
You are a major source of dead bass.
Thank you for saying that!
We probably can't do much about these a holes and liars. I still pledge that if they ever do put a moratorium on us, I will personally call captain Derek and those other a hole captains up there and ask them- hey can you go striped bass fishing today? When they say no, I will ask them why and then I will say- "oh that's right you can't go fishing for stripers because you killed them all!!!!" I wish some of you other guys would join me.

williehookem

11-29-2015, 08:25 PM

I didn't read every page of this thread, but it seems like a good thing to do is work on the New Jersey politicians and cut down those three fish you guys are taking.

finchaser

11-29-2015, 08:45 PM

Governor Christy refused to sign 3 fish bill. But the law says if he doesn't after 30 days what ever is on the table becomes law.

Tom Fote pushed really hard for it even lying to politicians and getting the JCAA to back him with there 1200 member BS . He kept saying to everyone that if we didn't the bonus tag quota would go to another state. Striped bass is the only fish that has a non transferable quota this was told to Fote by Russ Allen of the ASMFC who over sees bass at a meeting. Russ sticks up for us as he is an avid bass fisherman.

rockhopper

12-02-2015, 11:39 AM

Some more meat. captree meat wagon.

fishinmission78

12-02-2015, 07:31 PM

Thank you for saying that!
We probably can't do much about these a holes and liars. I still pledge that if they ever do put a moratorium on us, I will personally call captain Derek and those other a hole captains up there and ask them- hey can you go striped bass fishing today? When they say no, I will ask them why and then I will say- "oh that's right you can't go fishing for stripers because you killed them all!!!!" I wish some of you other guys would join me.

I wouldn't waste my breath. These guys don't care. During the last 2 weeks I have seen more boats parked in front of island beach and lavalette than I have since the sandeel invasion of 2012. They don't care what you or I think. After all they are only doing what the law allows them to. Sucks that each week the stripers get smaller and smaller and they still hype the bite to an unreal level. Nothing much we can do except to watch it happen.

buckethead

12-03-2015, 09:45 AM

You make good sense that there isn't a point to protest. It has to be done through the political process. Unfortunately the fishermen that should be saying something won't call or protest. We tried to galvanize groups to save the jetties from the acoe taking the wrong direction and not that many showed.

As others have said maybe a moratorium is the only thing that will work, for the second time. A lot of Captains will go out of business as the clientele contracts. That or folks will get used to targeting bluefish again. Which is the way it used to be in the early 80's.

It is a testament to greed and selfishness that the ones who have the most self-preservation at stake, the Charter and Party Boat captains, won't take an honest look at what they are doing. A lot of us killed fish in the 70's and sold them without realizing the toll it was taking on the bass population. My friends and I did it. Almost everyone we knew who caught a lot of fish did it as well. We finally realized the error of our ways. That's why I am mostly catch and release now. I think the folks who are doing the most damage now know exactly how perilous the numbers really are. Boat payments and short-sightedness prevent them from admitting it in public. We were exactly the same way in the 70's and 80's but we learned from our mistakes.

I don't think the biggest offenders today will learn until it is too late. jmo

cowherder

12-03-2015, 10:14 AM

A lot of Captains will go out of business as the clientele contracts. That or folks will get used to targeting bluefish again.
It is a testament to greed and selfishness that the ones who have the most self-preservation at stake, the Charter and Party Boat captains, won't take an honest look at what they are doing.

:clapping::clapping::clapping: Well said I agree 100%. Look guys, I am realistic enough to know that calling a Captain out on his BS and raping the ocean is prob useless. I do feel that captains should know better. The people who go on the boats every day, some of them may not fish a lot or pay attention to what is going on. They are hard working people who just want to go out and catch some. It's up to the captain to explain that they're trying to keep the stripers around for the future. They do this in Fla with the redfish. Cali with the rockfish. Alaska with the salmon and halibut. They are all regulated tightly. Anglers don't complain about that. Also there are some good captains out there. There was one that would tell the clients that the striped bass is not in great shape and encourage c&r of the big girls. I think that guy was out of manasquan, anyone remember what his name was? He seemed to me to be one of the better ones. These other captains who advertise bonus plus plus,. and "get your bonus tags here!!" are all just raping the resource. Fisher price and all the others. They are the ones who should know better. And they suck for not being honest.

hookset

12-03-2015, 10:32 AM

Also there are some good captains out there. There was one that would tell the clients that the striped bass is not in great shape and encourage c&r of the big girls. I think that guy was out of manasquan, anyone remember what his name was? He seemed to me to be one of the better ones.

That might have been Gene Quigley, of shorecatch.com. Good Capt and nice guy.:thumbsup:

basshunter

03-28-2016, 07:15 PM

sooooo - who do you guys think will be the first man on the meatman leaderboard this year?

hookset

03-29-2016, 03:03 PM

I think it's already been done. Bucktails got a keeper on clams the other day. just the one, from what I read, so no chance to pound the chest for the maximum limit plus plus.

Monty

04-08-2016, 10:54 PM

sooooo - who do you guys think will be the first man on the meatman leaderboard this year?

Fisher Price IV on 4/8 reported "Excellent Bassin"
"Only killing the legal limit"
Dead bass with eggs.

I think it should be strictly C and R until they are done spawning each year.

finchaser

04-10-2016, 07:48 AM

Fisher Price IV on 4/8 reported "Excellent Bassin"
"Only killing the legal limit"
Dead bass with eggs.

I think it should be strictly C and R until they are done spawning each year.

Think that's bad check out Johnny bucktails video on his new 1/2 million dollar boat daddy bought him

williehookem

04-10-2016, 01:13 PM

500k for a boat? Most kids if they are lucky dad and mom buy them a new car, 30k at most. What dad buys a 500 thousand dollar boat for his kid?

Monty

04-10-2016, 03:47 PM

Think that's bad check out Johnny bucktails video on his new 1/2 million dollar boat daddy bought him

Looks like he and his buddies are killing their limit of breeders every trip this year.
Stupid regulations should be changed to protect the breeders from inconsiderate irresponsible homo sapiens like them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYQDoZTjw-o

hookset

04-11-2016, 01:47 AM

down deep on the meat today

finchaser

04-11-2016, 01:12 PM

7deadlyplugs

04-11-2016, 01:52 PM

down deep on the meat today

Just don't understand why you guys in jersey have to be so damn greedy. In LI and a lot of other states we can only keep one striper. You think at least SOME of the guys on jersey head boats would try to help out a bit. greedy damn gavones!

finchaser

04-11-2016, 06:34 PM

Just don't understand why you guys in jersey have to be so damn greedy. In LI and a lot of other states we can only keep one striper. You think at least SOME of the guys on jersey head boats would try to help out a bit. greedy damn gavones!

Couldn't agree more but our extra fish come from us being a game fish state with no commercial fishery so we get there quota. This is still less than the NY recreation and commercial quotas. Some of the worse offenders are the NY Captree fleet. I still agree on the 1 fish coast wide with no commercial fishing

NY goes over quota every year on Striped bass, blackfish ,fluke and seabass they are the worst offenders on the east coast this is brought up at all meetings but Schumer gets it over looked with loopholes in NY law

jigfreak

04-12-2016, 04:12 AM

None of the charters request they want to throw back fish even when captains suggest it. I have heard this repeatedly from charter captain that I know who push for catch and release except for Johnny ducktails who goes on ego killing trips

Its all about ego and stroking theirselves. As for the fares on the charters they don't give a crap. Like ostriches with heads in the sand.

basshunter

04-12-2016, 06:27 PM

Looks like he and his buddies are killing their limit of breeders every trip this year.
Stupid regulations should be changed to protect the breeders from inconsiderate irresponsible homo sapiens like them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYQDoZTjw-o

down deep on the meat today

None of the charters request they want to throw back fish even when captains suggest it. I have heard this repeatedly from charter captain that I know who push for catch and release except for Johnny ducktails who goes on ego killing trips

I wondered if you noticed something this year or is it just me?
With the exception of the down deep out of keyport it doesn't seem that NJ Captains are posting those dock shots of the meat lined up anymore.
It seems that this one website stripersandanglers is responsible for putting a lot of pressure on them to stop this stupid practice. If so kudos to the guys who started this thread and taking the heat and abuse. Does that seem true or is it just too early in the season yet to tell?

finchaser

04-12-2016, 07:48 PM

I wondered if you noticed something this year or is it just me?
With the exception of the down deep out of keyport it doesn't seem that NJ Captains are posting those dock shots of the meat lined up anymore.
It seems that this one website stripersandanglers is responsible for putting a lot of pressure on them to stop this stupid practice. If so kudos to the guys who started this thread and taking the heat and abuse. Does that seem true or is it just too early in the season yet to tell?

The Belmar fleet hasn't started yet neither has the Manasquan fleet most of those captains were in the shop the other day gearing up and waiting for fish to arrive

Johnny Bucktails is part of the Down Deep Charter fleet

SharkHart

04-12-2016, 09:30 PM

20150 Art on the left all he does is fish charter boats and he thinks he is the man. I met him once years ago and i was going out on boat next day and he came off a successsful chartered bunker bass trip,i asked him what general area was holding bait and he said " you have to put your time in" I nearly strangled him.

SharkHart

04-12-2016, 09:36 PM

20151 His head is back by staten island Fish that big you dont need to push out even lol

captnemo

04-12-2016, 10:24 PM

http://stripersandanglers.com/Forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=20150&stc=1 Art on the left all he does is fish charter boats and he thinks he is the man. I met him once years ago and i was going out on boat next day and he came off a successsful chartered bunker bass trip,i asked him what general area was holding bait and he said " you have to put your time in" I nearly strangled him.

I have known Art for about 15 years and I agree. Some of the Capts and I call him the Al Ristori moocher of the fishing world because he is always pumping us for intel. I'm surprised he said that to you. It seems very hypocritical of him. Just my .02

SharkHart

04-13-2016, 08:44 AM

well when he had a chance to big time someone he took it, was laughable

VSdreams

04-15-2016, 10:08 PM

Why is it that when a party boat posts a pic of 60 dead bass on the deck people lose their minds but when ten different six pack boats post pics of six man limits, also 60 dead bass, people are congratulating and praising their effort?? Although I don't typically keep bass because I don't like the way the taste, I have no problem with people keeping one for the table. I just don't understand the thought process of some people.

:clapping:Not my words but posted on the net. Buy that man a beer!

finchaser

04-16-2016, 07:46 AM

I think bass in NJ and NY the season should be closed till May 1st to give the fish a chance to breed

Catching them in Raritan bay is like catching fish in a funnel leading to the Hudson

Also the JCAA has to be stopped lying that our 2000 members wants as they don't poll the there members. It over rules no matter how many votes of the people that come to meetings

storminsteve

04-17-2016, 01:19 AM

Saw this posted today on a fishing site.

worrying about opinions and pictures I bet our Dads and Grandfathers who showed us the ropes would of smacked us and called us wimps. This is why things are like they are now. Everyone worries about everyone else. Try your best to obey the limits and mind your own business

This is just part of what's wrong with society today. IF we all did what this idiot suggests, we would have just minded our
own business and
ignored the bunker boats that you guys got rid of in the 80's
still have slavery
still have women without the right to vote
still have pedophile coaches and priests preying on children
still have people working for the company store, with no one to stand up for them

yeah right you A**hat, minding your business is always the best course of action.:kooky:

lostatsea

04-17-2016, 12:51 PM

yeah right you A**hat, minding your business is always the best course of action.:kooky:

:clapping::clapping:

lostatsea

04-18-2016, 05:26 PM

Down Deep report from today-
Today Capt. Tom and Gene ran another 6am open boat Striper trip with a big crowd of great guys, ... The Stripers have had lockjaw lately, but we slow picked at em, and put them in the boat to 24lbs.
WEDNESDAY APRIL 20 - 6 AM STRIPED BASS - FEW SPOTS REMAIN
Come out, load up, book now.

"Come out, load up, book now"
This is just a basic example of a Capt whose whole marketing strategy is focused on helping clients load up on the meat. My .02

SharkHart

05-03-2016, 02:14 PM

This is blowing up facebook today BIG TIME!! Johhny Bucktails seems to have documented culling some think minimally tossing back dead stripers

https://www.facebook.com/john.contello/videos/1335489863132961/?autoplay_reason=gatekeeper&video_container_type=1&app_id=6628568379

bababooey

05-03-2016, 03:10 PM

Maybe I'm in the minority. I actually like the kid and feel he puts a lot of time in to get his stripers.
The video is too much, though. It really does look like he's throwing back dead stripers.

Monty

05-03-2016, 03:44 PM

Maybe I'm in the minority. I actually like the kid and feel he puts a lot of time in to get his stripers.
The video is too much, though. It really does look like he's throwing back dead stripers.

I think you are in the minority.
He had videos where he was throwing back keeper bass saying "look, we are releasing keeper bass", but they were launching them high in the air, mocking the release.
He has never shown slightest bit of sportsmanship or respect for fish or for that matter striped bass fishing.

Hopefully he gets in a lot of trouble for culling, make an example of him.
And as for those that run into him at the marina, call him out for what he is.
A young kid, with no respect for anything that has entitlement written all over him.

How about the Fisherman post an article on that with a pic of him throwing a dead bass overboard?

J Barbosa

05-03-2016, 04:39 PM

I lost hope for the kid, it looked at one point like he was trying to release some of the big breeders and keep the smaller fish. I was almost ready to say "good job". Glad I didn't jump the gun.

We saw from a video he did a few years ago his livewell was full of bass. I wouldn't be surprised if he has been culling smaller fish for bigger ones for years now.

Blazin420

05-03-2016, 04:47 PM

I'm sure he has been John...Youth these days so eager to post a video and be a "hot shot" well guess what hot shot you just shot yourself in the foot...moron...why in the world would someone put that online for the world to see..He is a special kind of stupid that's for sure...I've always thought he was a entitled spoiled little prick who thinks his poop don't stink....Screw him!! I hope they throw the book at him...Serves him right for being that stupid!!!!

Monty

05-03-2016, 05:46 PM

Hey Al Ristori, why you fishing with such a scum bag?
Should post a list of guys who fish with this entitled little ****.

J Barbosa

05-03-2016, 05:50 PM

http://www.nj.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2016/05/watch_fisherman_faces_wave_of_ire_for_fish_tossing .html#incart_river_mobile_home

finchaser

05-03-2016, 06:03 PM

Hey Al Ristori, why you fishing with such a scum bag?
Should post a list of guys who fish with this entitled little ****.

Cause its free

Monty

05-03-2016, 07:07 PM

http://www.nj.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2016/05/watch_fisherman_faces_wave_of_ire_for_fish_tossing .html#incart_river_mobile_home

Johnny shitforbrains may be in a bit of trouble....hopefully.

Blazin420

05-03-2016, 07:13 PM

I hope soo to Monty something tells me he is the type of kid that gets away with crap like this...I'm sure daddy will bail him out some how..Same way daddy bought the boat..

SharkHart

05-04-2016, 12:49 AM

Accurate Fishing
18 mins ?
To all our Accurate supporters, friends, and family. We are no longer associated with John Contello. Once we saw the video this morning we unfortunately had to dissolve our relationship. Accurate is based on true ethical treatment of gamefish and unfortunately the video we saw is in direct conflict of those beliefs. We want all our supporters to know we do not support such practices and will not be associated with anyone that does. Thanks for your feedback. We appreciate the support.

finchaser

05-04-2016, 08:30 AM

the piece of sh_ts father will rise to the occasion once again. I hope they ban him from chartering he is also part of the Down Deep charters

jigfreak

05-04-2016, 02:03 PM

One of the biggest ********* want to be fishermen of all time.
take one look at his face, and you know he can't get laid. he looks like a scarecrow That's why he spends all his time fishing.
Total unsportsmanlike conduct.

hookset

05-04-2016, 04:24 PM

cowherder

05-04-2016, 05:34 PM

^What is disgusting greedy slob that Captain is. Johnny butt licker too! When are these guys going to realize that enough is enough?

plugcrazy

05-04-2016, 07:05 PM

Dude is a total d-bag. He wanted to make a name for himself, so be it.

buckethead

05-04-2016, 09:22 PM

I have been following this thread, and tried to stay out of it.
I don't like to bash people, but this young man deserves every bit of it. His enthusiasm for the sport is great, but his lack of sportsmanship is so sad.
What that does is falsely let people assume that stripers are everywhere, and they are not. I used to catch many species in the ocean every day in this time of year. I know every square inch of the water I fish, and could catch fish blindfolded. The problem is the real numbers of bass are just not there. They are highly concentrated in a few key areas. This is exactly what happened in the eighties before the striper population collapsed.
A young man like Johnny would probably have no knowledge of this unless he had an older fisherman to Mentor him .The real tragedy is that there are several captains named in this thread who might be in their late fifties or sixtiesand closer to my age. Rich I salute you for letting this thread stand and having the courage to let people speak up.
Every single captain named here who is over 50 years old should know better. It is not just the Johnny buck tales of the world who should be scorned. I still feel he is a young kid, and doesn't know any better. The seasoned captains named here should all be ashamed, and shunned by the fishing community. If these folks lived and fished through the moratorium and saw what I saw, then they should know better. Shame on them for misrepresenting the truth. Shame on them all for not speaking the truth about the state over all of the stripers. I am too old to fight this fight anymore. Otherwise I would be active on the internet sites and blasting these captains. Because they deserve every bit of criticism that is leveled at them.

seamonkey

05-04-2016, 09:45 PM

Well said!!!!! Thank you sir!

hookedonbass

05-04-2016, 10:13 PM

Just keeps getting worse and worse for him. Read the article, and then look at some of the memes that people posted. Crazy stuff.
http://www.nj.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2016/05/bass_chucking_nj_fisherman_in_viral_video_dropped. html#incart_river_home

baitstealer

05-04-2016, 10:22 PM

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2015/Seahunter-Tournament-37-2894832/Monmouth-County/NJ/United-States#.VyqCiTGrOdz

Check this out, apparently he is selling his boat. Wonder why?

cowherder

05-06-2016, 03:45 AM

Well-said bucket!
There are a LOT of captains doing this. They should all know better.
When you post a dock shot with the bass all lined up like that, to me that says you are a tool. That's a poor way to market one's services.
I think that guy Fisher Price does that all the time too. Plus he advertises "limits plus plus", so you know he really doesn't care about whether the stripers will be here tomorrow or not.

fishinmission78

05-06-2016, 02:14 PM

X2 I agree the kid is a total tool, but he had to learn that attitude from someone. also agree with bucket, that was very well worded. one of the most respectable posts I have been on any site on this subject. I also agree it is not just this one kid it is every single captain that is posted up in this thread. CH you said it well what will they do when there are no fish left to catch?

J Barbosa

05-06-2016, 04:22 PM

I like how when you scroll through his old videos he states "let all the big fish go" then in the video that went viral you can see him culling the smallest fish and throwing them back dead. :banghead2:

surferman

05-07-2016, 01:54 AM

Let's not forget he's part of that whole crew down deep. Capt Mario one of the most notorious meat men out there. Captain Mario couldn't catch a fish without a bunker at the end of a line.
These are part of a bunch of pics he posted 2 days ago

Does anyone know this Captain Mario is? This is a picture he posted, supposedly of today's catch. Maybe my eyes are playing tricks on me Todays kinda looks like that picture that you posted the other day, doesn't it?

finchaser

05-07-2016, 10:19 AM

Yep Down Deep Charters a boat owned by Johnny buck tails father

Monty

05-07-2016, 11:04 AM

Does anyone know this Captain Mario is? This is a picture he posted, supposedly of today's catch. Maybe my eyes are playing tricks on me Todays kinda looks like that picture that you posted the other day, doesn't it?

Looks like same bass loaded with eggs.

finchaser

05-07-2016, 03:01 PM

Rumor has it many are sold

dogfish

05-08-2016, 11:07 PM

It's the expensive sports car or truck with big tires syndrome. Lots of fish on dock = small weiner.

J Barbosa

05-09-2016, 11:38 AM

I often see many of the charter and party boats recycle pictures. Lets face it they are trying to grab those guys who sit on the couch waiting for reports to be red hot before booking. "SHOULDA BEEN HERE YESTERDAY"

Johnny's dad getting some more unwanted attention it seems:
http://www.nj.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2016/05/shamed_nj_fisherman_and_mafia_captain_dad_we_need. html

hookedonbass

05-09-2016, 02:13 PM

Haha that's so ironic! Mobster turned restaurant owner.
Wonder if they will have fresh grouper on the menu this summer?

seamonkey

05-09-2016, 03:21 PM

Ex mafia capo running restaurant. Would have been more stereotypical if it was an italian eatery. Jmo
.

cowherder

05-10-2016, 12:22 PM

Lol like the Italian restaurant scene in The Godfather when Sonny Corleone, who I believe was Pacino, shooting the guy and walking out with his head held down.

lostatsea

05-12-2016, 06:36 AM

Fisher Price 5/11 open boat
Yesterday, 09:24 PM
Capt Derek Fisher Price 3
Fisher Price IV 5/11
PM- This afternoon we ran our open boat trip. Reloaded the wells and started where we left off. Had a keeper bass in the boat within 5 minutes then the blues took over. Took a ride and found some readings. Decided to wait for them to chew. Was able to land another 6 keeper bass while losing a few and having a bunch of blues. Ended with
7 keeper sized bass to 20 lbs coming into the boat (only keeping legal limit) and blues.

I'm confused, with a six pack charter I thought only six guys can be on board. do the math that means they can only keep six stripers unless they are over 43".
Correct me if im wrong, how did this guy get to keep 7 stripers? Or did I read it wrong.

finchaser

05-12-2016, 09:46 AM

seamonkey

05-16-2016, 03:15 PM

Looks like same bass loaded with eggs.

I don't know what is going on with those Northern captains.
that guy Captain Mario from down deep in northern New Jersey posted that pic again may 15 . Maybe I'm stupid but it looks like the same pic of the same stripers. if he is catching do stripers everyday, and great big ones as he says why does he post the same pic of the same stripers ? If the captain did that in South Jersey they would be blacklisted and no one would charter with him because we would know that they were liars. How come no one is calling Captain Mario out as being a liar or fake?

plugcrazy

05-16-2016, 06:57 PM

Isn't that the boat connected with that Johnny bucktails kid mobster father. Maybe they don't want to end up in cement shoes.

lostatsea

05-24-2016, 01:19 PM

Johnny Bucktail sighting yesterday

Yesterday, 05:49 PM
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Middletown, NJ
5/23 Bass

Mated for my buddy on his 31 contender cuddy. Loaded the wells in one throw and to where we've been fishing. Started off slow but one we got them going we chunked 6 bass, missing a bunch that didn't commit and a few blues.*

Now a bit of short venting....not going to mention ANY names, but I'm sure if you guys could guess one genius on the water who's been in social media lately....

Well if anyone is familiar with the 31 contebder cuddy, I was on the bow pulling up the anchor and along comes bright light flying 50yards off our bow throwing a huge wake at us. Once again I'm on the bow with no railing with an anchor setup in my hands. Unbelievable but just straight idiocracy. Needless to say he got an earful from my buddy the captain.

porgy75

06-07-2016, 12:10 PM

I don't know if I should okay to say this or not, but Johnny bucktails Won a recent tournament and people made a big fan fair about him catching and releasing stripers LOL.
yeah catch and release right into the oven LMAO

porgy75

06-07-2016, 12:11 PM

thought this was funny!
https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10208565970081178&id=1066593923&set=p.10208565970081178&source=47&refid=18

finchaser

06-07-2016, 01:05 PM

Hi-Mar Striper Club 2016 Spring Tournament - RESULTS and WINNERS Here are the results from our June 4, 2016 Spring Tournament:

Beautiful day on the water. Perfect weather and fishing conditions. 39 boats Registered. Good striped bass fishing.

** All weights are a combined two fish total

1st Place (75.6lbs) Johnny Bucktails Captained by John Contello

2nd Place (72.3lbs) Out on a Limb Captained by J.R. Santos

3rd Place (71.4lbs) Fishin Addiction Captained by Gary Carr

4th Place (69.9lbs) Avery Grace Captained by James Ianelli

5th Place (68.8lbs) Split between Prime Coat Captained by Buddy Hughes and FIN-Z Captained by Capt. Zukowski

Largest Fish Caught (41.9lbs) caught by Rodney Krawczyk on the boat Prime Coat

Lady Angler prize awarded to Alexis Mangan (41.3lbs) on the boat Sea Horse II

Junior Angler prize awarded to Richie Redfern (33lbs) on the boat Fishin Addition

Largest Tagged and Released fish was awarded to the crew of the Fish Wrangler II Captained by Steve Machalba (39")

Costa Photo Release Contest went to Captain Steve Machalba and his crew on the Fish Wrangler II

Congratulations to all the winners!