There was a punk song back in the 80's called kill for cash.
this kid is killing for the pics. Photo op look at me I am the best bass fisherman around. Catching fish on clams not too hard. The pic makes the man. (or boy in his case)
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the bluefish limits are higher. how come you never see a dock filled with bluefish with the guy saying "we wanted y'all to know we kept this many because they will be given to St Mary's Opphanage. Father O'Reilly has graciously thanked us for helping alll the poor starving children. Here is a photo as we gave to the poor and Litte Martha and Timmy are hugging us they are so glad to get something other than the gruel they have been eating".
Any intelligent human being who reads the statement we gave the extra to the poor knows that is the big lie. It is all about ego. If it was not they would do the same with bluefish.
Ever hear how a boat guy loves to catch bluefish? You don't. They all complain we got covered up by bluefish couldn't get to the bass. We throw out the bunkah and the livies all got chopped in half by bluefish.
If you really are a true fisherman you appreciate all things God sends you on the end of your line. Although I have to admit I am not fond of too many dogfish.;)
The bulk of the folks who complain the loudest at being labeled meat fishermen are ones who really don't know the striper. They know fluke and sea robins. That is the top of their skill set. To move along the levels of striper fishing you have to know and understand their importance to all fish in the sea and the economic well-being of our future. These guys don't care about any of that, and are about as far advanced on the food chain as the Cro-Mags were in the caveman days. . Oh, and I also eat plenty of stripers but I do not freeze them. And I think the bonus tags you folks in NJ have, have got to go. You don't know how to be honorable with them and there are too many abuses.My 2 cents
Great post Dogfish, every time that bonus tag is used its a complete waste of a bass. I think read if it was abolished the allotment of bass that is designated for the bonus tag would be allotted to another group. What the heck is wrong with people in just saying lets reduce the killing pressure on the Striper before we kill all the breeders? The bonus tag is a blatant waste of fish.
It's amazing now how an another site a member is begging people to tell him where to fish now that the bass have spread out and you need to know how to fish skillfully to put a catch together with out bait .Even the great JB has stop posting but they will all be superstars again on Saturday when they can fluke fish.
^^X2
Love the orphanage reference! These losers are so full of ****!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZrgxHvNNUc
"Not sure why since last week had great results in da bay. Marked a lot of fish. Trolled spoons, live lined , and chunked ...only think I got was skunked. Couldn't figure it out. Headed back..stopped quickly in the bay, and tossed a crippled herring and got a hit right a way. Yes! No... All blues on every single cast. Three would chase the lure in the others mouth, they were so thick.....oh well no stripers for me today. Bummed "
"the blues were a pain today. We had tough fishing also but ended up with two bass on bunker. "
"Happened to most of us yesterday unfortunately. Gotta have the **** days to enjoy the good ones. ""
The quotes above are from the intennet. What I do not understand is if fishing is so much fun and you love to fish why do you complain about bluefish?
finchaser i like what you said about fluke fishermen gone wild.
The comments show that the only goal is to put meat in the box. being out there, enjoying a sunny day, none of that is important. What jumps out at me here is that they are not happy because they could only catch bluefish. The one guy caught blues on every cast and is bummed because none of them were stripers. You say they are fluke fishermen gone wild. I think it's a good idea to have fluke fishing. it seems half the whiners dont know how to catch stripers. Bluefish are a pest, a nuisance to them. If there were no fluke half of the guys who talk like this would have to sell there boats.
dogfish that is so funny what you wrote rofllmao!
Good detective work vs. Some are not that smart at hiding the fact that they are hypocrites.
dogfish your post was absolutely hysterical, should be the post of the week.
Why thank you, fellas.:HappyWave:
Thought folks might find this interesting, from the noaa
The Ethical Angler
• Promotes ethical behavior in the use of aquatic
resources.
• Values and respects the aquatic environment
and all living things in it.
• Avoids spilling, and never dumps any pollutants
on land or in the water.
• Disposes of all trash, including worn-out lines,
sites litter-free.
• Takes all precautionary measures necessary to
prevent the spread of exotic plants and animals,
exotic plants and animals, including live baitfish, into non-native habitats.
• Learns and obeys angling and boating
regulations treating other anglers, boaters, and
property owners with courtesy and respect.
• Respects property rights, and never trespasses
on private lands or waters.
-Keeps no more fish than needed for consumption, and never wastefuly discards fish that are retained.
- Carefully handles or releases all fish that are unwanted or prohibited by regulation,
as well as other animals that are accidentally hooked.
• Uses tackle and techniques which minimize harm to fish when engaging
in catch and release angling.
http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/sfa/Partner...ngler_code.pdf
Hey hookset if I might ask what qualifies a catch for inclusion into this thread. There have been lots of reports since this thread was started and it seems you are somewhat selective on which ones you gripe about. No disrespect meant. I was merely curious as to how you apply standards to who is a meatman, and who is not?:)
bababooey if you are implying I am only picking on boat guys you are mistaken. The basic idea I had behind the thread is there are guys who are out there and fishing a lot. Ones who every time they are out they keep not only their fish but their bonus tag fish.there are some abuses here as the bonus tag fish are supposed to be reported every time and it used to be that you needed a new bonus tag for each fish. Maybe that has changed but even if it didn't there are people out there abusing that bonus tag system. Those are the ones I am posting about. The ones who only go fishing a few times a year should keep all the stripers they catch and eat every single one of them. I am dead serious on this. Fishing a few times a year neither you, I, nor anyone else has a right to tell you to keep or not keep your stripers.
The ones that get to me the most are the ones that fish regularly and keep their limits each time. Just because you can doesn't always justify as the reason as to why you should. dogfish made a good point eat fresh bass it is good for you. Loading up the freezer till there are fillets falling out will result in wasted fish down the line. I feel that the ones who fish the most and catch the most should be held to different standards than the ones who fish a few times a year. This is my opinion and you can disagree if you want.
the fabulous LaGrossa brothers:
may 18
Don't want you to think I am only talking about the boat meatmen bababooey.:moon:
LaGrossa, Chris Bass 46″ 40.1lbs Bunker Lagrossa, Phil Bass 50″ 46.4lbs Popper
Absent from this list have been the LaGrossa bros, well they are back. They showed up on Grumpy's catches yesterday. I have no problem labeling them as meatmen, and this is why.
During the height of the season they kill every legal bass they catch. It is my opinion they know or care nothing about conservation.
I will start to list their catches. You will see every day they catch a big fish it is weighed in for glory. What do they do with all those big fish if they catch fish over 25lbs? How could they possibly eat all that striper? Catching all them bass and not releasing them and doing it a lot where do those bass go? I don't have the answers or any proof but if you have intelligence higher than a watermelon this might look strange to you too. Where does all that bass go, into a worm hole? If you catch 5 30-40lb bass in a week, where do all the fillets go? That is all I am saying This is my opinion.
I read about them every year hookset. Trophy after trophy. Do not remember them ever weighing in a 29 or 30" bass it seems to be all about the chest pounding. What do they do with all that meat. Grouper on the menu? Thanks for having the balls to say something.
Hookset I believe one of them^^^ got fined last year for that. Many smaller restaurants are famous for fresh grouper specials during the bass runs,some have been fined. Some surf clubs promote killing by awarding a point per pound to determine angler of the year awards for single and team achievement. Most of these are eaten as they are weighed in singly . None of this compares to targeting and killing schools of breeders in Raritan bay. Laws need to be changed ASAP as the end is near for these magnificent fish and trust me I've seen it happen before and it's happening at a much more alarming rate. It's trying to be justified by bullsh_t excuses like posted above by the new generation of ill informed anglers. Many bass end up in dumpsters because they become soft do to the fact most of the assho_es don't have big enough storage or carry ice especially on smaller boats. I see it all the time very common on head boats where no storage is available unless you bring a minimum 128 quart or bigger cooler which most anglers don't own.
:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping: Sounds like you have been at it a long time. Thanks for sharing that. Folks can't see the forest from the trees. Where I fish in the Sound it has been hit or miss. A lot of us thought that the bunker had something to do with it. This year the bunker are all over and my catches are the same. If I was in a boat I know I could do better I would follow the bunker schools. The fishing that I do is relaxing and I would rather fish from the shore at night. It seems that there are too many who catching a big bass is the pinnacle of their lives. A great goal but you also have to have a balance. And what is wrong with CPR - catch photograph and release? Catching a big bass and taking a photo you will always have the memory. Putting the bass back in the water lets it be caught more than once. It it the ultimate act of unselfishness.
I dd not read all the posts in the thread but did notice that this young man JB seems to be generating a lot of controversy. I don't know if you can really fault him. His father should have taught him about the striped bass when he was growing up. If he is now unconcerned I would think a lot of the blame lies in the way he was raised. Just like racism if the kid is racist you don't have to look too far and you will find racist parents. There was an old poem many years ago called Children learn what they live. In this case it may be that he learned exactly the way that his father taught him, and not to value the striped bass as a gamefish. My .02
So our favorite meat kid posts a "release" picture and they throw the bass 10 feet in the air and take a picture. Unfortunately there are enough ignorant people out there that is actually a market for such stuff.
I saw that. And thought it was a step in the right direction with the release.
Then the pic of the bass in the air.
Complete disrespect.
Albiealert my thoughts on this are while the father may have lead him down the path to being an *sshole, at some point he is what he makes him self to be.
He sees all the comments and then shows how disrespectful he is in that pic of the "release".
What a low life he and his "buddies" are.
Hello. My name is Capt Derek Bielitz. I am the owner and operator of the Fisher Price IV out of the Highlands. This post was brought to my attention by one of my customers who saw it. I would first like to say that i do not personally know who anyone of you on here are or if any of you have ever fished with me before. I saw that some of my posts from other sites were pasted on here. And i will be the first to tell you that what i post is the truth. I have good days and bad days in fishing. I am a full time professional charter boat captain. This is what i do 12 months a year. I do not have any other job than fishing. I am 31 years old and have been working as a mate and captain for the past 16 years. I have seen the fishery when it was tough as well as when it had been great. I will also be the first person to say that there are not as many bass around as in recent years. I will also admit that there are more keepers around and less shorts. As for what i kill on my boat. I follow all laws in both NY and NJ waters. My customers spend their hard earned money to go out on fishing trips with me and when they like to take their limit who am i to tell them they cant. I also let my customers use their bonus cards to a certain point. I do not take my limit or my mates limit on any trip. If the customer wants to use their bonus card in the beginning of the season on a smaller fish than so be it. I do support catch and release and i can tell you i had a trip the other day where we landed 50 or 52 bass all day and only kept one fish for the table cause it was gut hooked and bleeding out. I encourage my guys to release all fish 30 lbs or bigger cause they are your breeding fish and we need to keep the stock up and have fish for our future generations to experience. This is my first and last post on this site. I also find it hard to believe that this post hasnt even been shut down already after reading through it. Every post that was taken from another site and posted no one was breaking the law they did what they were allowed to do.
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My opinion on the above two posts.
They are the reason that threads like this should exist. They at the least get people talking.
For me its good to hear Capt Derek Bielitz thoughts and what his opinions are.
The pics in this thread show lots of bass dead. You point out the lack of bass recently. This thread brings attention to the problem. Calls out some who are killing lots of bass. Its all true (pics to prove it). At some point regulations will have to be changed, threads like this may help gain momentum in that direction. People need to be called out, it would be different if there were lots of lies in these posts. But they are all facts.
Wake up people, to many bass are being killed.
They were slaughtered on their way to spawn and the killing will continue with the snag and drop.
Just because its legal does not remove responsibility.
Thank you Hookset for this thread
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This was in post 30 of this thread. I am asking you folks to adhere to the guidelines I set out.
I am still hoping we can have a respectful, adult, discussion here.
You are all entitled to your opinions.
Threats will not be tolerated no matter which side they came from.
**I am counting on you all to act like adults and treat each other with the same respect you would want to be treated.
1. There are no time-outs or infractions in this site.
2. We act like adults and most are good with that avoiding profanity and insults.
3. If ANYONE can't follow those guidelines you are not needed or welcome here.
Thank you.
Again I'll thank Hookset for starting this thread, its ruffled a few feathers of the meat men of New jersey and that's a great thing.
Indiscriminately killing Striped Bass has to stopped, as others have said we are on the path to another striped bass moratorium unless something is drastically changed.
I thought other sites were bad but this one has it beat. Bunch of grown man whining and complaining about keeping your "Limit". This will be my only post, you guys need to get out more stop worrying about who is catching what. If you don't like it, do something about it instead hiding behind your computer ranting and posting pics from Charters and Party boats here. Bunch of grown man acting like *******! LOL!!!
MEAT MAN IN THE HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Exactly, keep killing them, there is an endless amount of bass. They will never be wiped out. No chance. So why worry? Our kids will have plenty of Striped Bass to fish for.
Bonus tags for everyone, meat for the the whole neighborhood, meat man in the house!!! Keep raising the fishing pressure on the Striped Bass, nothing to worry about.....
One question.
In a few years when there are no bass around how are the Charter boats and Party boat families going to make a living? Not to worry?
You meatball :HappyWave:
Trust me, I'll get ban in no time because I just don't give a f*ck! I live for today, not tomorrow. Life is to short. :2flip:
I don't know about that banning thing, I think your entertaining. If you need someone to vouch for ya I'm here for ya.You could post about killing bass, I'll call you a meatball, you could flip me off. At least a day or two before that gets old. You have anything intelegent to post on why there is no need to worry about the down turn in the bass population? Why there is a big down turn in small bass being caught?
Disclaimer, if meatman turns out to be 15 years old please delete my posts in this conversation.
I just took a glance at your pics. You should practice what you preach, I saw some big bass you were holding. You hyprocrite. I would love to run into you one day. I'll be down the Highlands Friday. If you want to join me for a brew. I would love to hear your bullsh*t! LMAO!!!
That pic is from 3 or 4 years ago, kept 3 bass that year and 1 since. But I have never stated there is anything wrong with keeping striped bass. Its the excessive killing by individuals or groups. The bonus tag in my opinion is a waste of a bass. Guys that are killing multiple big bass each week, chest pounders that are wasting striped bass. I also believe that is the predominant thought of the posters in this thread. There is an enourmous amount of pressure put on the striped bass population by the recreational fisherman. Snag and drop is killing to many breeding size bass. Regulations need to be changed to protect the bass from recreational fisherman. My .02
Took me a while to get on here but....
Hookset. I just want to let you know that you are barking up the wrong tree. First off, have you ever fished aboard my vessel??? I know you have not, so you have no right to judge myself or anyone else. Second of all, If you are so tough why haven't you come down to our marina and said something to us rather than running your mouth on the internet.
Here is how it goes on the LONGSHOT. WE DO NOT ALLOW BONUS TAGS, BUT WE DO ALLOW CAPTAIN AND CREW( 2 fish less than 6 bonus tags). WE educate our customers on the history of the striped bass population. For example I explain how when I was a kid my grandfather wouldn't take me bass fishing because it "wasn't worth it" From there WE explain how if they choose to take a big bass they are not only killing one fish but thousands.
The state says my customers are allowed to harvest 2 fish per man at 28" + and a bonus fish if they choose to "PURCHASE" that 3rd fish. What are we supposed to do??? Tell our customers they cant keep what the are allowed by law?? There have been many trips this year where we on the LONGSHOT have come home with LESS THAN A LIMIT because we released big fish early.
Heres a video of LONGSHOT W/ a revival of a nice bass..... THIS IS THE WAY WE OPERATE fast fwd to 3:30 .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8fC1dSsGDA
"Thank you monty. I mean I don't begrudge a person who comes out a few times a year, to catch and eat their limits, including bonus tags. What if you only fish twice a season. Then you should take every last morsel of bass because it has to last "
So you agree with our customers coming out once in the spring and once in the fall and keeping limits plus???? Im kind of confused here?
That quote was Hookset's not mine.
I think 3 bass per person is to many. The bonus tag should be no more. Actually I believe in a lot stricter regulations but that was not the question.
The person keeping the limit + bonus tag is perfectly legal, well within his/her rights.
But in my opinion on a whole it is very short sighted. It contributes to depleting the striped bass and their ability to sustain a healthy population.
The regulations need and likely will be changed to protect them from over fishing (which I believe is happening).
But I also think this thread is not so much about the person making 1-2 fishing trips per season but the ones (boat and surf) who kill an excessive amount of Striped Bass over the season.
For the captain/boat who understands this and supports this I am thankful and understand that they need to make a living and if it takes keeping the 3 bass at times to get customers so be it. But in the future the limit may not even be two bass if something does not change soon.
To sum up my opinion, I think the major problem is in the regulations, they need to be much stricter to protect the Striped Bass from the recreational fisherman because to many recreational fisherman do not care one bit about the Striped Bass population or lack of it.
That's what I believe.
Hookset and Monty should get job with NMFS. They sound just like those clowns. Chris, I wouldn't waste my time on these two clowns. I know you run a top notch business. Exactly, what I'm saying you want to call out charter boats. Come down in person to Tagged Fish, Fish Stixx and Long Shot and all the other boats you mentioned run your mouth in person instead of hiding behind your computer. Put an end to all this drama.
How about you show us how intelligent you are instead of acting like a 5 year old in a playground? Meat man appropriate name. I thought since you claim you read this thread you might have some valid points about the state of the strioed bass fishery today.
How long have you been fishing?
Did you fish for bass during the moratorium or have you only been fishing for them since you were in junior high last year?
What do your bass logs show during the last 20 years. Can you document that the bass are now healthier than ever?
What about the YOY last year showing bass at the lowest numbers ever?
What about the verfiable stats showing that the aggregate striped bass catches, coastwide, have been decliniing for the last 3 years. (except in your world)
these are all veriafiable facts I stated and can be found here or supported by a simple search on the internet. I guess when you are in high school it is hard to do these searches because they are not available as an app on your iphone.
Just 2 or 3 of the questions I asked above, show us what you know about striped bass.
Other than you telling us you are the biggest stud in the sandbox.
Next you will be on here telling us you are the biggest stud in your high school, Wow junior year must be really awesome. Will be even better when you get to be a high school senior next year
how about an intelligent discussion on any of the points mentioned above?